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HI THERE!
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WELCOME TO THE SHOW, STILL
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TAKING PLACE IN THIS BLANK VOID,
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WHICH I'VE NOW BEEN IN SO LONG
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I'M ABOUT TO HAVE TO GET IT
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WAXED AND BLEACHED AGAIN.
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IT'S BEEN A BUSY WEEK, FROM A
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CYBERATTACK FORCING THE SHUTDOWN
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OF A TOP U.S. PIPELINE TO
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VACCINATIONS CONTINUING TO ROLL
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OUT, WITH CITIES AND STATES
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INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO GET
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THEM.
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OHIO, FOR INSTANCE, IS OFFERING
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A PRIZE OF UP TO $1 MILLION FOR
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GETTING THE VACCINE, WHILE
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NEW YORK CITY IS OFFERING FREE
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SHAKE SHACK, WHICH OUR MAYOR
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BILL de BLASIO TRIED TO SELL IN
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THE LEAST APPETIZING WAY
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IMAGINABLE.
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JUST THINK OF THIS WHEN YOU
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THINK OF VACCINATION...
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MMM, VACCINATION...
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MMM...
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I'M GETTING A VERY GOOD
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FEELING...
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ABOUT VACCINATION RIGHT THIS
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MOMENT.
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NOPE.
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THAT'S A NO, BILL.
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NO TO EVERYTHING THERE.
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NO TO THE UNCOMFORTABLY LOUD
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CHEWING.
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AND DEFINITELY NO TO THE "MMM."
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YOU SOUND LIKE A SEXUALLY
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FRUSTRATED COW TRYING AND
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FAILING TO CLIMAX.
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AND LOOK, I'D LOVE TO TALK FOR
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THE REST OF THE SHOW ABOUT HOW
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TERRIBLE IT IS TO WATCH
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BILL de BLASIO EAT A BURGER.
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BUT THE THING IS, I CAN'T.
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INSTEAD... IF I MAY QUOTE THE
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RISKIEST THING YOU COULD
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POSSIBLY SAY ON A FIRST DATE...
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"LET'S TALK ABOUT ISRAEL."
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BECAUSE THE BIGGEST NEWS OF THE
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WEEK HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN THIS.
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THIS MORNING, THE WORST
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VIOLENCE IN YEARS BETWEEN
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ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS IS
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INTENSIFYING.
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ISRAEL'S MILITARY ATTACKED NEW
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TARGETS IN GAZA, THE PALESTINIAN
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TERRITORY WHERE MILITANTS ARE
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FIRING HUNDREDS OF ROCKETS INTO
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ISRAEL.
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AND IN THE ISRAELI-OCCUPIED
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WEST BANK, PALESTINIAN
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PROTESTERS FOUGHT WITH POLICE.
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SINCE MONDAY, OVER 80
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PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED
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AND 7 ISRAELIS IN THIS
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TIT-FOR-TAT WAR.
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OKAY, THERE IS A LOT TO
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UNPACK THERE, FROM THE HORROR OF
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THE SITUATION... WHICH HAS
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ESCALATED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE
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THEN... TO THE USE OF THE PHRASE
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"TIT-FOR-TAT WAR" IN A CONFLICT
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WHERE YOU JUST POINTED OUT ONE
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SIDE HAS SUFFERED OVER TEN TIMES
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THE CASUALTIES, SOMETHING WHICH
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IMBALANCE AT PLAY HERE AND HOW
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THAT OFTEN GETS OBSCURED BY HOW
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WE CHOOSE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
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AND LOOK, IF YOU'RE NOT FLUENT
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IN MIDDLE EAST HISTORY, I KNOW
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THIS CAN SEEM OVERWHELMING...
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THE LATEST CHAPTER IN A LONG
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STORY YOU HAVEN'T READ.
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SO I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND
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RECAP THE HISTORY HERE, OR
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INDEED, PROPOSE A SOLUTION...
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ALTHOUGH, INTERESTINGLY, I DO
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HAVE ONE.
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BECAUSE SOMEONE WITH THIS ACCENT
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ALWAYS THINKS THEY CAN FIX
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THINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
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I REDREW THE MAP A BIT, AND I
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HAVE A LOT OF MISPLACED
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CONFIDENCE THAT IT WOULD WORK
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VERY WELL.
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BUT THIS WEEK'S ACTUALLY BEEN A
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PRETTY GOOD REMINDER THAT WHILE
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SOME THINGS ARE INCREDIBLY
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COMPLEX AND REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL
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OF CONTEXT, OTHERS ARE JUST
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WRONG.
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TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE
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INCIDENTS THAT'S BEEN A
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FLASHPOINT...
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THE PLANNED EXPULSION OF
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PALESTINIANS WHO'VE LIVED IN THE
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SHEIKH JARRAH NEIGHBORHOOD FOR
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GENERATIONS.
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IT'S CURRENTLY TIED UP IN THE
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ISRAELI COURT SYSTEM WITH THE
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FOREIGN MINISTRY CALLING IT A
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"REAL ESTATE DISPUTE."
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BUT IT'S WORTH KNOWING THAT THE
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U.N.'S COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN
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RIGHTS HAS SAID THESE EXPULSIONS
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WOULD VIOLATE ISRAEL'S
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OBLIGATIONS UNDER INTERNATIONAL
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LAW.
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SO IT IS NOT HARD TO SEE WHY
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SANITIZED TERMS LIKE "EVICTIONS"
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OR "PROPERTY DISPUTES" RANKLE
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THOSE WHO LIVE THERE.
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YOU GREW UP IN THE
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NEIGHBORHOOD.
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YOUR FAMILY HOME IS SLATED FOR
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EVICTION.
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WHAT IS THE SCENE RIGHT NOW?
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WELL, I... THANK YOU SO MUCH
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FOR HAVING ME.
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TO START, IT'S NOT REALLY AN
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EVICTION.
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IT'S FORCED ETHNIC DISPLACEMENT,
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TO BE ACCURATE.
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EVICTION DOES NOT IMPLY THE
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HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HEAVILY
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ARMED POLICE AND ARMY AND
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SETTLERS COLLUDING, BLOWING UP
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YOUR DOORS, THROWING YOUR
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CHILDREN FROM YOUR WINDOWS AND
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USING BRUTE FORCE TO THROW YOU
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OUT IN THE STREET AND ASSAULTING
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AND ARRESTING YOU SHOULD YOU
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RESIST.
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IT DOESN'T IMPLY THE GRENADES.
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IT DOESN'T IMPLY THE
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RUBBER-COATED BULLETS.
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RIGHT.
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THE THREAT OF EVICTION IS
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ACCURATE ONLY IN A VERY
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SUPERFICIAL LEVEL... IN THAT ONE
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DAY YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE, THE NEXT
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DAY YOU DON'T, AND THAT CHANGE
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WASN'T YOUR CHOICE, BUT IT
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DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
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IT'S LIKE RUNNING A HEADLINE
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THAT SAYS "MATT GAETZ REACHES
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OUT TO FLORIDA YOUTH."
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SURE, NOT INACCURATE.
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BUT IT'S MISSING SOME PRETTY
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CRUCIAL DETAILS ABOUT THE EXACT
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NATURE OF THAT INTERACTION.
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AND LOOK, IT IS TRUE THAT
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MILITANTS FROM PALESTINIAN
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GROUPS LIKE HAMAS FIRED OVER A
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THOUSAND ROCKETS TOWARD ISRAEL
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THIS WEEK, AND THAT IS
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REPREHENSIBLE.
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BUT... AND I REALIZE THIS IS THE
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MOST LOAD-BEARING CONJUNCTION IN
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HISTORY, "BUT"... THE MAJORITY
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OF THOSE ROCKETS THANKFULLY
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DIDN'T REACH THEIR TARGET, FOR A
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VERY CLEAR REASON.
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THE CASUALTIES AND THE DAMAGE
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WOULD HAVE BEEN GREATER BUT FOR
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ISRAELI INTERCEPTOR ROCKETS, THE
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SO-CALLED IRON DOME, WHICH BLEW
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MOST OF THE INCOMING MISSILES TO
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PIECES.
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YEAH, ISRAEL HAS AN
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SO-CALLED IRON DOME.
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AND I KNOW "WHAT IF WE BLEW UP
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THE ROCKETS WITH MORE ROCKETS?"
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SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING SOMEONE
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DRUNKENLY WROTE DOWN ON A NAPKIN
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ONCE, BUT IT IS A REAL MILITARY
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DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT WORKS.
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AND I ALSO KNOW NOT ALL THE
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ROCKETS WERE SHOT DOWN.
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ISRAELI CIVILIANS WERE KILLED
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THIS WEEK, WHICH IS TERRIBLE.
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BUT THE POINT IS, THIS ISN'T
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"TIT FOR TAT."
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THERE IS A MASSIVE IMBALANCE
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WHEN IT COMES TO THE TWO SIDES'
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WEAPONRY AND CAPABILITIES.
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WHILE MOST OF THE ROCKETS AIMED
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TOWARD ISRAELI CITIZENS THIS
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WEEK WERE INTERCEPTED, ISRAEL'S
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AIR STRIKES WERE NOT.
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THEY HIT THEIR TARGETS,
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INCLUDING A HOUSE IN A REFUGEE
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CAMP, A BUILDING HOUSING THE
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ASSOCIATED PRESS AND AL JAZEERA,
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AND THIS 13-STORY OFFICE AND
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APARTMENT BUILDING.
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AND WHILE ISRAEL INSISTED THAT
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THERE WERE MILITARY TARGETS IN
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THAT BUILDING AND THAT THEY'D
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DESTROYED IT AS HUMANELY AS
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POSSIBLE, EVEN WARNING PEOPLE TO
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EVACUATE BEFOREHAND, FOR THE
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RECORD, "DESTROYING A CIVILIAN
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RESIDENCE" SURE SEEMS LIKE A WAR
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CRIME REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU
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SEND A COURTESY HEADS-UP TEXT.
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AND WHEN DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE
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SEEN THEIR HOMES OR LIVELIHOODS
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DESTROYED, IT DOESN'T REALLY
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HELP THAT THE ISRAELI MILITARY
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POSTED THIS TRIUMPHANT MEME
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SHOWING THE EXPLOSION AND THE
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RUBBLE LABELED "BEFORE" AND
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"AFTER."
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"LOOK WHAT WE DID!
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PEOPLE LIVED THERE BEFORE, AND
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NOW THEY CAN'T!
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YOU GET IT, RIGHT?"
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AND OBVIOUSLY, IN GENERAL, YOU
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SHOULD PROBABLY NEVER MEME
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A WAR CRIME.
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BUT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO,
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AT LEAST GO WITH SOMETHING LESS
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BORING THAN THE BEFORE/AFTER
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TEMPLATE.
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MAYBE USE THE DRAKE MEME OR THE
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DISASTER GIRL.
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THERE'S A BUILDING COMING DOWN,
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SO CHECKMARK ALREADY THERE, AND
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IT'S A LITTLE GIRL WITH EYES
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THAT SCREAM "I DON'T KNOW WHAT
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THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS ARE, AND
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FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE."
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THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, IT
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WORKS PERFECTLY.
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THE FACT IS, THE CITIZENS OF
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GAZA DON'T HAVE AN IRON DOME TO
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PROTECT THEM THE WAY THAT THE
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CITIZENS OF ISRAEL DO.
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IT'S ONE OF THE MANY WAYS
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THEY'RE AT A SIGNIFICANT
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DISADVANTAGE.
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ALTHOUGH AN ISRAELI MILITARY
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SPOKESPERSON TRIED TO PUSH BACK
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ON THE IDEA THERE'S MUCH OF A
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DISCREPANCY THERE.
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SOMEBODY ON TWITTER SAID THAT
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THE PALESTINIANS DON'T HAVE AN
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IRON DOME.
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I SAY YES, THEY HAVE AN IRON
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DOME.
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IT'S CALLED "DON'T FIRE ROCKETS
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AT ISRAELI CIVILIANS AND WE
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WON'T FIRE ANYTHING AT GAZA."
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YEAH.
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BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
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DIFFERENCES.
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"IRON DOME," FOR ONE, SOUNDS
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MUCH COOLER, AND ALSO, IT HAS
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THE SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE OF
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BEING AN ACTUAL DEFENSE SYSTEM
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THAT EXISTS, UNLIKE GAZA'S,
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WHICH IS MOSTLY, "TRY NOT TO BE
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WHERE THE BOMBS ARE LANDING."
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AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE,
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THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
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PALESTINIANS IN GAZA ARE NOT
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PART OF HAMAS.
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THEY DON'T GET TOGETHER AND ALL
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DECIDE TO LAUNCH ROCKETS.
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IT'S NOT A FUCKING CO-OP BOARD.
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BUT WHEN ISRAEL FIRES ROCKETS AT
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GAZA, IT ENDANGERS ALL
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PALESTINIANS THERE.
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MAYBE "SOMEBODY ON TWITTER"
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COULD POINT THAT OUT TO THAT
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GUY.
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TO PEOPLE IN GAZA, IT CAN SEEM
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LIKE THE ONLY TIME ANYONE PAYS
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ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING
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THERE IS WHEN HAMAS IS FIRING
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ROCKETS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLY
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VERY FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE
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THEY'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A
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SUFFOCATING BLOCKADE FOR
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14 YEARS.
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AND IN ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED
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PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES,
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PALESTINIANS ARE ESSENTIALLY
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BEING GOVERNED BY A FORM OF
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APARTHEID, AN ASSESSMENT SIGNED
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OFF ON BY BOTH INTERNATIONAL AND
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ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS.
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LIFE IN GAZA IS HARD EVEN WHEN
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THEY'RE NOT BEING BOMBED.
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AND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS
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IMPLICITLY COSIGNED ON THE
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BRUTALLY HARD LINE ISRAEL HAS
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BEEN TAKING.
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THIS GUY BASICALLY GAVE ISRAEL A
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GREEN LIGHT TO DO ANYTHING IT
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WANTED FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS,
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AND WHILE BIDEN HAS HAD THE
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OPPORTUNITY TO RESET THAT
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RELATIONSHIP, HIS
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ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE THIS
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WEEK HAS BEEN DEEPLY
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UNDERWHELMING, GIVING A GENERIC
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STATEMENT THAT "ISRAEL HAS A
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RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF."
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IT'S THE EXACT SAME LINE THAT
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OBAMA SAID AND THAT BUSH SAID
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BEFORE HIM.
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"ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND
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ITSELF" IS JUST SOMETHING ALL
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PRESIDENTS END UP SAYING OUT
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LOUD AT SOME POINT IN OFFICE,
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LIKE "MY FELLOW AMERICANS" OR
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"WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO
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ALIENS?
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THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT."
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AND LOOK, IT'S NOT THAT ISRAEL
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DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND
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ITSELF... IT'S JUST THAT LINE
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CANNOT BE USED TO EXCUSE
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ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
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MULTIPLE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN
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KILLED THIS WEEK... EIGHT IN A
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SINGLE STRIKE JUST YESTERDAY.
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AND THE U.S. IS HEAVILY
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IMPLICATED HERE, NOT JUST BY
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SERVING AS ISRAEL'S DIPLOMATIC
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SHIELD AT THE U.N., BUT BY
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CONSTANTLY REFUSING TO CRITICIZE
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THE INDEFENSIBLE.
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WATCH AS JUST THIS WEEK A STATE
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DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN DESPERATELY
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TRIED TO EQUIVOCATE WHEN ASKED A
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PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION.
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I WANT TO ASK ON EAST
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JERUSALEM.
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I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON THIS
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EITHER.
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BUT THE ISRAELIS KILLED 13
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PEOPLE JUST NOW, YOU KNOW,
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INCLUDING MAYBE FIVE OR SIX
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CHILDREN.
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DO YOU CONDEMN THAT?
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DO YOU CONDEMN THE KILLING OF
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CHILDREN?
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SAID...
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I'M ASKING, DO YOU CONDEMN
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THE KILLING OF PALESTINIAN
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CHILDREN?
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OBVIOUSLY... AND THESE
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REPORTS ARE JUST EMERGING.
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AND I UNDERSTAND... I WAS JUST
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SPEAKING TO THE TEAM.
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I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE
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INDEPENDENT CONFIRMATION OF
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FACTS ON THE GROUND YET, SO I'M
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VERY HESITANT TO GET INTO
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REPORTS THAT ARE JUST EMERGING.
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OBVIOUSLY, THE DEATHS OF
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CIVILIANS, BE THEY ISRAELI OR
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PALESTINIANS, ARE SOMETHING WE
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WOULD TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
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HOLY SHIT, HE JUST
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ASKED YOU, "IS CHILD MURDER
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BAD?"
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THIS REALLY ISN'T HARD.
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JUST SAY YES.
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THE ONLY SCENARIO IN WHICH THE
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ANSWER TO "IS KILLING CHILDREN
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WRONG?" GETS TRICKY IS IF YOU'RE
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A TIME TRAVELER IN 1890s
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AUSTRIA TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY
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YOU JUST KILLED THE HITLER
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FAMILY'S BOUNCING NEW BABY BOY.
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"I KNOW HOW THIS LOOKS, BUT
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IT IS COMPLICATED."
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LOOK, THERE IS A REAL TENDENCY,
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PARTICULARLY IN AMERICA, TO
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"BOTH SIDES" THIS SITUATION, AND
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I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T
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SOME AREAS WHERE THAT'S
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WARRANTED, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO
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RECOGNIZE THERE ARE ALSO AREAS
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WHERE IT'S SIMPLY NOT.
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BOTH SIDES ARE FIRING ROCKETS,
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BUT ONE SIDE HAS ONE OF THE MOST
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ADVANCED MILITARIES IN THE
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WORLD.
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BOTH SIDES ARE SUFFERING
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HEARTBREAKING CASUALTIES, BUT
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ONE SIDE IS SUFFERING THEM
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EXPONENTIALLY.
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AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE U.S. IS
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OPERATING FROM THE MORAL HIGH
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GROUND HERE.
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IT'S OBVIOUSLY NO STRANGER TO
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DRONE-STRIKING WEDDINGS AND
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SAYING, "WE WERE JUST TRYING TO
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TARGET ENEMY COMBATANTS."
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THIS COUNTRY HAS BLOOD ON ITS
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HANDS TOO.
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AND LOOK, IF YOU BELIEVE
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ISRAEL'S ACTIONS ARE WARRANTED
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AND PROPORTIONATE THIS WEEK,
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YOU'RE WELCOME TO TRY AND MAKE
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THAT ARGUMENT.
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BUT WE'VE GOT TO START HAVING
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THIS CONVERSATION HONESTLY, AND
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FALLING BACK ON CONVENIENT
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SANITIZED TERMS LIKE
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"REAL ESTATE DISPUTES" AND
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"AIR STRIKES ON MILITANTS" FEELS
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DISINGENUOUS WHEN WHAT YOU'RE
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DESCRIBING IS "FORCING PEOPLE
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FROM THE HOMES THEY'VE LIVED IN
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FOR DECADES AND KILLING
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CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN."
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AND AGAIN, NONE OF THIS FREES
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HAMAS FROM RESPONSIBILITY.
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BUT HAMAS DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL
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PALESTINIANS, JUST AS WHAT
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ISRAEL IS DOING RIGHT NOW
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DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL ISRAELIS,
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OR INDEED JEWISH PEOPLE.
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LOTS IS COMPLICATED HERE, BUT
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SOME THINGS ARE PRETTY SIMPLE.
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ONE SIDE IS SUFFERING MUCH MORE.
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AND IF AMERICA REALLY WANTS TO
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HELP, IT MIGHT WANT TO SERIOUSLY
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CONSIDER CHANGING ITS LONG-HELD
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POSITION HERE.
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BECAUSE FOR DECADES, THE
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BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S POLICY IN
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THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN THAT
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AMERICA IS AN UNWAVERING FRIEND
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TO ISRAEL.
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WHICH IS A GREAT THING TO BE,
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BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I
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WOULD HOPE THAT A REAL FRIEND
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WILL TELL ME WHEN I'M BEING AN
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ASSHOLE AND DEFINITELY WHEN I'M
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COMMITTING A FUCKING WAR CRIME.
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AND NOW THIS.
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AND NOW,
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ARI MELBER, RAP GENIUS.
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WILL JUST NOT FUCKING STOP.
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GOOD EVENING, AS SMITH WOULD
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SAY.
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ALL THIS CHASING.
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TO PARAPHRASE LAURYN HILL, HE
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MAY THINK IS MORE POWERFUL THAN
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TWO CLEOPATRA'S BUT HE IS STILL
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READY TO FLIP IT IN THE SWAMP ON
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A DIRTY MATTRESS.
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THERE IS A LYRIC FOR THAT,
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MARGARET, WHICH IS JAY-Z SAID,
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MAMA ALWAYS TOLD ME DON'T ARGUE
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WITH FOOLS BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM A
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DISTANCE CAN'T SEE WHO IS WHO.
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I HATE THE NEW KANYE, THE BAD
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MOOD KANYE, THE NEWS KANYE, I
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MISS THE OLD KANYE.
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WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ALL I
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SEE IS FALSE.
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FLAWS.
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I BELIEVE THERE'S A GOD ABOVE
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ME.
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AND THAT TRUST THE GOD OF
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EVERYTHING ELSE
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THAT'S PRETTY POWERFUL.
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IT WASN'T AT DRAKE WHO SAID, THE
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GAME IS SOLD SEPARATE.
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ANOTHER W WAY TO PUT IT IS, IT
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STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM AND NOW
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WE ARE HERE.
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YOU COULD PUT IT THAT WAY,
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ARI, NOW WE... YOU COULD.
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MOVING ON.
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OUR MAIN STORY TONIGHT CONCERNS
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GUNS.
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Y'KNOW, BIG PEW-PEW STICKS THAT
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GO BOOM-BOOM.
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GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA,
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AND I DO MEAN EVERYWHERE.
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HOW MANY GUNS DO YOU THINK I
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CAN HIDE UNDERNEATH A HAWAIIAN
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SHIRT?
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OF COURSE, WE GOT THE GRAY MAN.
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GOT MY BERETTA MODEL 85.
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FEELS LIKE A KAHR ARMED CT45.
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CHARTER ARMS UNDERCOVER .38
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SPECIAL.
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GRANDPA DAVE'S OLD DERRINGER.
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THIS IS A SCCY CPX-2.
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SMITH & WESSON 442.
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OH, WAIT!
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ONE MORE.
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NORTH AMERICAN ARMS SIDEWINDER
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.22 MAGNUM, JUST IN CASE YOU
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00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:45,366
NEED SOMETHING SMALL.
515
00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:49,066
WOW.
516
00:13:49,133 --> 00:13:49,566
THAT IS THE SECOND-MOST
517
00:13:49,633 --> 00:13:50,566
HORRIFYING THING YOU CAN FIND
518
00:13:50,633 --> 00:13:51,500
COMING AT YOU IN A HAWAIIAN
519
00:13:51,566 --> 00:13:52,842
SHIRT, RIGHT AFTER JOHN LASSETER
520
00:13:52,866 --> 00:13:54,733
ON "NATIONAL HUG YOUR BOSS DAY."
521
00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,100
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, THE REVEAL
522
00:13:56,166 --> 00:13:57,242
OF THE THUMBELINA-SIZED GUN IN
523
00:13:57,266 --> 00:13:57,833
HIS TOMMY BAHAMA POCKET WAS AN
524
00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,533
M. NIGHT SHYAMALAN-WORTHY TWIST.
525
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:00,966
WELL DONE, TINY GUN.
526
00:14:01,033 --> 00:14:02,076
YOU ARE BOTH SUPERFLUOUS AND
527
00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:03,433
SURPRISING.
528
00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,566
BUT THIS STORY ISN'T SO MUCH
529
00:14:05,633 --> 00:14:07,833
ABOUT GUNS THEMSELVES, AS IT IS
530
00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:09,109
ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR LAW THAT'S
531
00:14:09,133 --> 00:14:10,400
SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDED HOW
532
00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:12,133
THEY'RE USED.
533
00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,733
I'M TALKING ABOUT
534
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,766
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS.
535
00:14:16,833 --> 00:14:18,566
30 STATES CURRENTLY HAVE THEM.
536
00:14:18,633 --> 00:14:19,709
AND WHILE THEY WERE INITIALLY
537
00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:20,200
PITCHED AS A LAW-AND-ORDER
538
00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:20,833
MEASURE TO PROTECT PEOPLE FORCED
539
00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,666
TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS IN
540
00:14:22,733 --> 00:14:23,500
IMPOSSIBLE LIFE-OR-DEATH
541
00:14:23,566 --> 00:14:25,333
SITUATIONS, IN PRACTICE THEY CAN
542
00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,966
BE INVOKED IN INCIDENTS THAT
543
00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:28,900
REALLY SEEM LIKE THEY DIDN'T
544
00:14:28,966 --> 00:14:30,366
NEED TO TURN DEADLY.
545
00:14:30,433 --> 00:14:31,866
THE MAN WHO SHOT AND KILLED A
546
00:14:31,933 --> 00:14:33,109
FATHER OF FOUR AT A FLORISSANT
547
00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:34,166
BAR IS FREE TONIGHT.
548
00:14:34,233 --> 00:14:35,633
SO FAR, THE GUNMAN'S NOT FACING
549
00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:36,633
CHARGES FOR THE SHOOTING AT
550
00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:39,500
SHOW-ME'S BAR AND GRILL.
551
00:14:39,566 --> 00:14:41,033
THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY
552
00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:41,633
PROSECUTOR SAYS HE NEEDS MORE
553
00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:43,466
TIME TO DECIDE WHETHER HE'LL
554
00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:44,000
PROSECUTE THE GUNMAN.
555
00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:44,800
THAT'S BECAUSE MISSOURI'S
556
00:14:44,866 --> 00:14:45,566
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW IS
557
00:14:45,633 --> 00:14:52,933
COMPLICATED.
558
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,533
SCOTT BEARY WAS KILLED WHEN
559
00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,200
AN ARGUMENT OVER HOW HEAVY A DOG
560
00:14:54,266 --> 00:14:54,966
COULD WEIGH BECAME PHYSICAL.
561
00:14:55,033 --> 00:14:55,400
HOLY SHIT.
562
00:14:55,466 --> 00:14:56,233
NOT ONLY IS THAT A MASSIVE
563
00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:57,442
OVERREACTION, IT'S A POINTLESS
564
00:14:57,466 --> 00:14:59,533
ARGUMENT.
565
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,000
EVERYONE KNOWS DOGS COME IN A
566
00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:02,300
WIDE ARRAY OF SIZES, FROM
567
00:15:02,366 --> 00:15:03,400
POCKET-SIZED SWEETIES TO
568
00:15:03,466 --> 00:15:04,900
SLENDER KINGS TO DENSE BOYS TO
569
00:15:04,966 --> 00:15:06,600
DROOPY BOYS TO BIG HONKIN' BOYS
570
00:15:06,666 --> 00:15:09,700
TO STANDARD.
571
00:15:09,766 --> 00:15:12,566
THAT'S JUST VETERINARY SCIENCE.
572
00:15:12,633 --> 00:15:13,166
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS GAINED
573
00:15:13,233 --> 00:15:14,133
NOTORIETY NEARLY A DECADE AGO
574
00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,566
WHEN POLICE CLAIMED FLORIDA'S
575
00:15:15,633 --> 00:15:16,742
LAW KEPT THEM FROM INITIALLY
576
00:15:16,766 --> 00:15:17,700
ARRESTING GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AFTER
577
00:15:17,766 --> 00:15:20,100
HE SHOT AND KILLED 17-YEAR-OLD
578
00:15:20,166 --> 00:15:21,366
TRAYVON MARTIN.
579
00:15:21,433 --> 00:15:23,233
MORE RECENTLY, THEY'VE BEEN
580
00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:26,433
FLOATED AS A POTENTIAL DEFENSE
581
00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:27,633
FOR THE KILLERS OF AHMAUD
582
00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:28,833
ARBERY.
583
00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,566
AND THOSE ARE JUST TWO
584
00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:31,566
DEVASTATING EXAMPLES OF MANY.
585
00:15:31,633 --> 00:15:32,776
AND DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING
586
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,833
TO SHOW YOU THE
587
00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:34,700
FAR-TOO-PLENTIFUL FOOTAGE OF
588
00:15:34,766 --> 00:15:36,766
PEOPLE GETTING SHOT IN PUBLIC
589
00:15:36,833 --> 00:15:37,500
PLACES TONIGHT.
590
00:15:37,566 --> 00:15:38,166
FRANKLY, WE'RE JUST ONE
591
00:15:38,233 --> 00:15:39,166
SENSELESS MURDER AWAY FROM HBO
592
00:15:39,233 --> 00:15:40,242
MAX PUTTING THIS SHOW IN THE
593
00:15:40,266 --> 00:15:41,276
"ENDLESS PARADE OF HUMAN MISERY"
594
00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:41,966
CATEGORY ALONGSIDE "CHERNOBYL"
595
00:15:42,033 --> 00:15:43,400
AND "ENTOURAGE."
596
00:15:43,466 --> 00:15:45,000
BUT GIVEN THE PREVALENCE OF
597
00:15:45,066 --> 00:15:46,142
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS... AND
598
00:15:46,166 --> 00:15:47,633
THE RACIAL DISPARITIES IN WHO
599
00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:48,600
THEY DO, AND CRUCIALLY, DON'T
600
00:15:48,666 --> 00:15:49,466
PROTECT... WE THOUGHT TONIGHT
601
00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:50,300
IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING AT THEM.
602
00:15:50,366 --> 00:15:51,000
AND LET'S START WITH WHY,
603
00:15:51,066 --> 00:15:52,333
EXACTLY, STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS
604
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,466
WERE CREATED.
605
00:15:55,533 --> 00:15:57,266
BECAUSE BEFORE THEY CAME ALONG,
606
00:15:57,333 --> 00:15:59,433
MOST STATES ALREADY HAD
607
00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,566
SELF-DEFENSE LAWS ON THE BOOKS
608
00:16:01,633 --> 00:16:03,333
THAT TRADITIONALLY INCLUDED AN
609
00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,333
ELEMENT KNOWN AS A "DUTY TO
610
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,333
RETREAT," MEANING YOU COULDN'T
611
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,833
RESORT TO USING DEADLY FORCE IN
612
00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,166
A CONFRONTATION IF YOU COULD
613
00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:13,733
SAFELY AVOID OR DE-ESCALATE IT.
614
00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,866
NOW, IN MANY STATES, AN
615
00:16:15,933 --> 00:16:17,333
EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE WAS A
616
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,900
SO-CALLED "CASTLE DOCTRINE," A
617
00:16:19,966 --> 00:16:21,566
LEGAL THEORY ARGUING THAT YOUR
618
00:16:21,633 --> 00:16:23,333
HOME IS YOUR CASTLE, AND THERE,
619
00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,366
YOU CAN USE DEADLY FORCE MUCH
620
00:16:25,433 --> 00:16:26,333
MORE BROADLY TO PROTECT YOURSELF
621
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,100
AGAINST INTRUDERS.
622
00:16:27,166 --> 00:16:28,700
THE KEY THING STAND-YOUR-GROUND
623
00:16:28,766 --> 00:16:29,842
LAWS DID WAS REMOVE THAT "DUTY
624
00:16:29,866 --> 00:16:32,033
TO RETREAT" FROM PUBLIC PLACES,
625
00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:33,533
BASICALLY EXTENDING THE CASTLE
626
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,366
DOCTRINE TO ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A
627
00:16:35,433 --> 00:16:37,366
LEGAL RIGHT TO BE.
628
00:16:37,433 --> 00:16:38,673
IF YOU HAVE A "REASONABLE FEAR"
629
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:40,133
SOMEONE MIGHT HURT YOU, YOU HAVE
630
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,633
JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO SHOOT THEM
631
00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:42,842
IN THE STREET AS YOU WOULD IF
632
00:16:42,866 --> 00:16:43,876
THEY WERE COMING THROUGH THE
633
00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:44,966
WINDOW OF YOUR HOUSE.
634
00:16:45,033 --> 00:16:47,300
AND THIS CHANGE WAS LARGELY
635
00:16:47,366 --> 00:16:48,766
THANKS TO THE ADVOCACY OF ONE
636
00:16:48,833 --> 00:16:49,700
WOMAN WITH A PRETTY COMPELLING
637
00:16:49,766 --> 00:16:51,066
STORY.
638
00:16:51,133 --> 00:16:53,133
MARION HAMMER SAYS SHE WAS
639
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:53,766
WALKING TO HER CAR AFTER A LONG
640
00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:55,733
DAY AT THE OFFICE WHEN SHE WAS
641
00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,466
ACCOSTED BY A CAR FULL OF MEN.
642
00:16:59,533 --> 00:17:03,200
BUT SHE HAD A SURPRISE FOR THEM.
643
00:17:03,266 --> 00:17:04,633
I DREW THE GUN UP THROUGH THE
644
00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:06,100
HEADLIGHTS OF THE CAR AND I
645
00:17:06,166 --> 00:17:07,966
AIMED AT THE DRIVER.
646
00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:11,566
AND SOMEBODY IN THE CAR
647
00:17:11,633 --> 00:17:14,233
SCREAMED, "THE BITCH GOT A GUN!"
648
00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:19,833
"THE BITCH GOT A GUN."
649
00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:21,200
I HONESTLY DID NOT EXPECT TO
650
00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:21,733
HEAR THAT COME OUT OF THAT
651
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,400
WOMAN'S MOUTH.
652
00:17:22,466 --> 00:17:23,100
"HELP YOURSELF TO SOME HARD
653
00:17:23,166 --> 00:17:23,966
CANDIES IN THE CERAMIC PIG"?
654
00:17:24,033 --> 00:17:24,266
ABSOLUTELY.
655
00:17:24,333 --> 00:17:24,833
"TAKE OFF YOUR BOOTS SO YOU
656
00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:25,433
DON'T TRACK ANYTHING ONTO THE
657
00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:26,500
WALL-TO-WALL CARPETING"?
658
00:17:26,566 --> 00:17:26,933
OF COURSE.
659
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,900
BUT A CURSE WORD?
660
00:17:27,966 --> 00:17:29,566
IN THE DAYLIGHT?
661
00:17:29,633 --> 00:17:31,100
NOT IN 10,000 CONTRACTIONS OF
662
00:17:31,166 --> 00:17:32,600
THE UNIVERSE.
663
00:17:32,666 --> 00:17:33,776
BUT THE IMPORTANT PART OF HER
664
00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,666
STORY CONCERNS WHAT SHE CLAIMS A
665
00:17:34,733 --> 00:17:36,033
POLICE CHIEF SAID TO HER AFTER
666
00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:38,733
SHE'D TOLD HER STORY PUBLICLY.
667
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,700
THE POLICE CHIEF TOLD ME,
668
00:17:41,766 --> 00:17:43,366
"WELL, IN THAT SITUATION, IF
669
00:17:43,433 --> 00:17:44,100
YOU'D CALLED THE POLICE, WE'D
670
00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:47,366
HAVE ARRESTED YOU, BECAUSE YOU
671
00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:48,666
WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO EMPLOYED
672
00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:52,433
THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE."
673
00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:56,200
AND THAT MADE ME ANGRY.
674
00:17:56,266 --> 00:17:57,466
AND THAT ARGUMENT IS
675
00:17:57,533 --> 00:17:59,166
THE ABSOLUTE CORE OF THE CASE
676
00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:00,342
FOR STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS...
677
00:18:00,366 --> 00:18:01,666
THAT MARION HAMMER COULD HAVE
678
00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:02,733
BEEN ARRESTED FOR SIMPLY
679
00:18:02,766 --> 00:18:04,266
DEFENDING HERSELF.
680
00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:05,066
NOW, SHE WASN'T, OF COURSE.
681
00:18:05,133 --> 00:18:05,500
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
682
00:18:05,566 --> 00:18:06,366
BUT SOMEONE SAID SHE MIGHT HAVE
683
00:18:06,433 --> 00:18:07,633
BEEN, AND THAT MADE HER ANGRY.
684
00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:09,700
BUT A FEW THINGS.
685
00:18:09,766 --> 00:18:11,400
BECAUSE WHILE EVERYTHING ABOUT
686
00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:12,733
MARION HAMMER SEEMS LIKE A
687
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,566
SWEET, EVERYDAY GRANDMOTHER...
688
00:18:13,633 --> 00:18:15,033
RIGHT DOWN TO THIS FELINE
689
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,700
GLAMOUR SHOT OF HER POSTED ON A
690
00:18:16,766 --> 00:18:18,600
CAT BREEDER'S WEBSITE... YOU
691
00:18:18,666 --> 00:18:19,866
SHOULD KNOW SHE'S ALSO ONE THE
692
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:20,800
COUNTRY'S MOST POWERFUL GUN
693
00:18:20,866 --> 00:18:22,366
LOBBYISTS AND A FORMER PRESIDENT
694
00:18:22,433 --> 00:18:25,033
OF THE NRA.
695
00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:26,666
SHE'S PERSONALLY HELPED PUSH
696
00:18:26,733 --> 00:18:30,700
THROUGH DOZENS OF GUN LAWS IN
697
00:18:30,766 --> 00:18:31,842
FLORIDA ALONE, INCLUDING A 1987
698
00:18:31,866 --> 00:18:33,400
BILL ALLOWING CONCEAL AND CARRY
699
00:18:33,466 --> 00:18:34,400
PERMITS... A LAW THEN
700
00:18:34,466 --> 00:18:35,966
DUPLICATED, IN SOME FORM, IN
701
00:18:36,033 --> 00:18:37,800
ALMOST EVERY STATE, LEADING TO
702
00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:39,366
MORE THAN 16 MILLION AMERICANS
703
00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:41,100
CURRENTLY HAVING LICENSES TO
704
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:42,233
CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS.
705
00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,900
SO THAT MARGARITAVILLE ARSENAL
706
00:18:43,966 --> 00:18:45,000
YOU SAW EARLIER?
707
00:18:45,066 --> 00:18:46,200
YOU HAVE THIS DANA CARVEY
708
00:18:46,266 --> 00:18:47,346
CHARACTER TO THANK FOR THAT
709
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,400
SITUATION.
710
00:18:50,466 --> 00:18:52,966
AND WHILE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY
711
00:18:53,033 --> 00:18:54,600
RELEVANT, HAMMER'S ADVOCACY
712
00:18:54,666 --> 00:18:56,100
WASN'T LIMITED TO GUNS.
713
00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:57,276
SHE ALSO SUCCESSFULLY KILLED A
714
00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:58,200
PETITION FROM 10,000 SCHOOL
715
00:18:58,266 --> 00:18:59,900
CHILDREN TO CHANGE THE FLORIDA
716
00:18:59,966 --> 00:19:01,366
STATE BIRD TO THE SCRUB JAY, A
717
00:19:01,433 --> 00:19:04,166
BIRD SO FRIENDLY IT APPARENTLY
718
00:19:04,233 --> 00:19:06,833
EATS PEANUTS OUT OF YOUR HAND.
719
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:07,566
SHE OBJECTED BECAUSE, IN HER
720
00:19:07,633 --> 00:19:09,033
WORDS, "BEGGING FOR FOOD ISN'T
721
00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:09,733
SWEET, " " IT'S LAZY AND IT'S A
722
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,300
WELFARE MENTALITY."
723
00:19:11,366 --> 00:19:13,433
AND "THEY EAT THE EGGS OF OTHER
724
00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:14,266
BIRDS, THAT'S ROBBERY AND
725
00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:15,333
MURDER.
726
00:19:15,366 --> 00:19:17,100
I DON'T THINK SCRUB JAYS CAN
727
00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:18,500
EVEN SING."
728
00:19:18,566 --> 00:19:19,833
AND, OKAY, SLOW DOWN THERE,
729
00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:20,700
MARION.
730
00:19:20,766 --> 00:19:21,533
SET ASIDE "LAZY,"
731
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,100
"WELFARE MENTALITY," AND
732
00:19:23,166 --> 00:19:24,033
"ROBBERY AND MURDER," WHICH IS A
733
00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:26,766
LOT TO PUT ON A BIRD.
734
00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,266
"SCRUB JAYS CAN'T SING"?
735
00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:32,333
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TELL THAT TO
736
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,466
THE SCRUB JAY, MARION.
737
00:19:35,233 --> 00:19:37,133
SEE?
738
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:37,900
THAT'S FINE.
739
00:19:37,966 --> 00:19:41,300
IS IT GREAT?
740
00:19:41,366 --> 00:19:42,266
NO, IT'S NOT GREAT.
741
00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:42,533
IT'S FINE.
742
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,266
THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
743
00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:43,866
SURE, THE BIRD'S NO MARIAH, BUT
744
00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:44,400
IT'S ALSO NO ROSEANNE.
745
00:19:44,466 --> 00:19:45,133
IF THAT BIRD IS ANYONE, IT'S
746
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:45,733
FERGIE.
747
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,466
YOU HEARD ME.
748
00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:47,666
THE SCRUB JAY IS FERGIE.
749
00:19:47,733 --> 00:19:49,066
TWEET IT, TOK IT, PUT IT IN YOUR
750
00:19:49,133 --> 00:19:49,300
POCKET.
751
00:19:49,366 --> 00:19:50,033
I'VE MADE A FLIMSY TAKE AND I'M
752
00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:52,500
PROUD OF IT.
753
00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:54,933
THE POINT IS, MARION HAMMER
754
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:55,933
PLAYED A BIG PART IN PASSING ONE
755
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,466
OF THE COUNTRY'S FIRST
756
00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:58,766
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS, IN
757
00:19:58,833 --> 00:19:59,033
FLORIDA.
758
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,533
AND THE PASSAGE OF THAT BILL WAS
759
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,500
IMMENSELY USEFUL TO THE NRA
760
00:20:01,566 --> 00:20:02,800
BECAUSE IT BECAME A MODEL FOR
761
00:20:02,866 --> 00:20:04,766
LAWS THEY COULD THEN PUSH AROUND
762
00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:05,633
THE COUNTRY.
763
00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:07,833
WAYNE LaPIERRE OPENLY SAID AT
764
00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:08,566
THE TIME THAT FLORIDA WAS THE
765
00:20:08,633 --> 00:20:09,713
FIRST STEP OF A MULTI-STATE
766
00:20:09,766 --> 00:20:10,700
STRATEGY, AND THEY WERE GOING TO
767
00:20:10,766 --> 00:20:11,909
USE THE TAILWIND TO MOVE FROM
768
00:20:11,933 --> 00:20:13,566
STATE LEGISLATURE TO STATE
769
00:20:13,633 --> 00:20:14,366
LEGISLATURE.
770
00:20:14,433 --> 00:20:17,366
AND THEY DID.
771
00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:18,433
JUST SIX YEARS LATER,
772
00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:19,800
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAD
773
00:20:19,866 --> 00:20:21,433
PASSED IN 22 STATES.
774
00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,366
AND WHILE, FOLLOWING THE KILLING
775
00:20:23,433 --> 00:20:24,266
OF TRAYVON MARTIN, THEY BECAME
776
00:20:24,333 --> 00:20:29,966
INCREASINGLY CONTROVERSIAL,
777
00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:30,866
STATES DID NOT STOP PASSING THE
778
00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:31,533
LAWS... THEY JUST SLIGHTLY
779
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:31,933
SLOWED DOWN.
780
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,142
AND DENNIS BAXLEY, ONE OF THE
781
00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:33,800
STATE REPRESENTATIVES WHO HELPED
782
00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:34,566
DRAFT FLORIDA'S BILL, WAS
783
00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:35,642
ADAMANT THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE
784
00:20:35,666 --> 00:20:36,700
ROLLED BACK.
785
00:20:36,766 --> 00:20:37,766
WE SHOULD STAND BESIDE
786
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,000
LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.
787
00:20:40,066 --> 00:20:41,433
THEY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS A
788
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:43,833
CRIMINAL IF THEY'RE DOING
789
00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:44,566
SOMETHING POSITIVE, WHICH IS
790
00:20:44,633 --> 00:20:46,366
STOPPING A VIOLENT ACT FROM
791
00:20:46,433 --> 00:20:47,066
OCCURRING.
792
00:20:47,133 --> 00:20:48,233
THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES
793
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:48,900
WITH CLOSE CALLS NEAR THE
794
00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:49,533
FOUL LINE... IS IT IN OR IS IT
795
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:49,933
OUT?
796
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:50,900
WHO'S THE ASSAILANT AND WHO'S
797
00:20:50,966 --> 00:20:51,733
THE VICTIM?
798
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,733
YEAH, THERE ARE GOING
799
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,700
TO BE SOME CLOSE CALLS.
800
00:20:54,766 --> 00:20:55,333
IS IT IN OR IS IT OUT?
801
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,833
IS IT RIGHT OR IS IT WRONG?
802
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:58,300
IS IT SELF-DEFENSE OR IS IT A
803
00:20:58,366 --> 00:20:59,733
MURDER PROVOKED BY A DEBATE
804
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,600
ABOUT HOW MUCH A DOG CAN WEIGH
805
00:21:00,666 --> 00:21:01,800
THAT TURNED PHYSICAL?
806
00:21:01,866 --> 00:21:03,866
WHO CAN SAY?
807
00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:07,400
NOT THAT GUY.
808
00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:08,866
AND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE
809
00:21:08,933 --> 00:21:10,566
POINT HERE.
810
00:21:10,633 --> 00:21:11,566
THE WAY MOST STATES'
811
00:21:11,633 --> 00:21:12,200
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS
812
00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:13,276
ARE CONSTRUCTED, THEY CAN MAKE
813
00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:13,833
DETERMINING QUESTIONS OF GUILT
814
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,000
INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.
815
00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:16,366
BECAUSE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO
816
00:21:16,433 --> 00:21:17,933
PERCEIVED FEAR... WHETHER YOU
817
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,333
LEGITIMATELY SAW SOMEONE AS A
818
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:19,933
THREAT... AND THAT IS
819
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,700
DEFINITIONALLY SUBJECTIVE.
820
00:21:22,766 --> 00:21:24,466
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF... SNAKES,
821
00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:26,300
CLOWNS, AND TILDA SWINTON...
822
00:21:26,366 --> 00:21:27,933
JESUS CHRIST! MIGHT NOT BE
823
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,766
WHAT YOU ARE.
824
00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,233
AND IT'S MADE EVEN HARDER BY THE
825
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:41,300
FACT THAT OFTEN, THE ONLY OTHER
826
00:21:41,666 --> 00:21:43,133
PERSON WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED
827
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800
IN THE INCIDENT IS DEAD.
828
00:21:44,866 --> 00:21:46,433
AND CITING "STAND YOUR GROUND"
829
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:48,166
AS A LEGAL DEFENSE HAS BEEN
830
00:21:48,233 --> 00:21:49,533
EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
831
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,609
IN FLORIDA ALONE, AS OF 2012,
832
00:21:50,633 --> 00:21:52,500
NEARLY 70% OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED
833
00:21:52,566 --> 00:21:53,800
IT AS A DEFENSE HAD GONE FREE.
834
00:21:53,866 --> 00:21:55,133
AND ADVOCATES FOR THESE LAWS
835
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,400
WILL TELL YOU THAT'S A GOOD
836
00:21:56,466 --> 00:21:57,000
THING... THAT BEFORE THEIR
837
00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:57,866
INTRODUCTION, GOOD PEOPLE WERE
838
00:21:57,933 --> 00:21:58,566
GETTING SENT TO JAIL ALL THE
839
00:21:58,633 --> 00:21:59,633
TIME SIMPLY FOR DEFENDING
840
00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:59,966
THEMSELVES.
841
00:22:00,033 --> 00:22:00,966
BUT THEY NEVER HAD MUCH IN THE
842
00:22:01,033 --> 00:22:01,633
WAY OF ACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT
843
00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:02,233
BEYOND HYPOTHETICALS LIKE
844
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,166
MARION HAMMER'S STORY ABOUT HOW
845
00:22:03,233 --> 00:22:04,700
SOMEONE SAID SHE COULD HAVE GONE
846
00:22:04,766 --> 00:22:06,733
TO JAIL, BUT CRUCIALLY, DIDN'T.
847
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,033
SO STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS
848
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,142
WEREN'T REALLY FIXING A PROBLEM
849
00:22:09,166 --> 00:22:11,766
THAT NEEDED SOLVING.
850
00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:12,700
AND THE DANGERS THEY POSED WERE
851
00:22:12,766 --> 00:22:14,066
PRETTY OBVIOUS TO SOME FROM THE
852
00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:15,866
START.
853
00:22:15,933 --> 00:22:18,266
WHEN GEORGIA WAS DEBATING A
854
00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:20,400
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW IN 2006, A
855
00:22:20,466 --> 00:22:21,542
LOCAL STATION ASKED PEOPLE IN
856
00:22:21,566 --> 00:22:22,100
THE STREET WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
857
00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:22,766
AND WATCH AS THEIR THIRD
858
00:22:22,833 --> 00:22:24,533
INTERVIEWEE REALIZES SOMETHING
859
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,600
THE FIRST TWO DON'T.
860
00:22:25,633 --> 00:22:28,800
I THINK IT'LL LOWER CRIME,
861
00:22:28,866 --> 00:22:30,200
MYSELF.
862
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:31,733
'CAUSE A PERSON'S GONNA AND
863
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,633
TWICE ABOUT RUNNING UP ON A
864
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:34,966
CITIZEN IF HE THINKS THAT
865
00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:35,633
CITIZEN'S ARMED.
866
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:36,366
IF YOU FEEL YOUR LIFE'S IN
867
00:22:36,433 --> 00:22:37,000
DANGER, I THINK... I THINK IT'S
868
00:22:37,066 --> 00:22:37,466
A GOOD... A GOOD LAW.
869
00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:38,100
I THINK IT'S GONNA GET A LOT
870
00:22:38,166 --> 00:22:38,466
OF PEOPLE HURT.
871
00:22:38,533 --> 00:22:39,600
WHY'S THAT?
872
00:22:39,666 --> 00:22:40,946
WELL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WALKED
873
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,500
UP TO ME IN A PARKING LOT, I
874
00:22:41,566 --> 00:22:45,000
DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE.
875
00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:45,700
AND BY THIS LAW, IF I FELT THAT
876
00:22:45,766 --> 00:22:46,366
YOU THREATENED ME, I COULD HAVE
877
00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:46,933
JUST SHOT YOU RIGHT NOW.
878
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,366
YOU KNOW?
879
00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:48,933
I CAN'T... THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
880
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,176
YEAH, THAT LAST GUY IS
881
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,500
COMPLETELY RIGHT.
882
00:22:51,566 --> 00:22:53,766
AND IN HINDSIGHT, MAYBE WE
883
00:22:53,833 --> 00:22:54,842
SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED TO THE
884
00:22:54,866 --> 00:22:55,633
MAN IN THE "PRIDE OF THE SOUTH"
885
00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,033
HAT, THAT, BY THE WAY, FEATURES
886
00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,400
A PORTRAIT OF ROBERT E. LEE OVER
887
00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:00,033
A CONFEDERATE FLAG.
888
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:00,700
THAT HAT ALONE SHOULD HAVE
889
00:23:00,766 --> 00:23:01,200
IMMEDIATELY DISQUALIFIED
890
00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:02,100
ANYTHING HE SAID.
891
00:23:02,166 --> 00:23:04,000
IT'S LIKE IF ANTHONY FAUCI WORE
892
00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:04,800
THIS BUCKET HAT THAT SAYS
893
00:23:04,866 --> 00:23:06,066
"DADDY" IN THE "SHREK" FONT.
894
00:23:06,133 --> 00:23:07,966
IF HE DID, YOU'D BE DUTY-BOUND
895
00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:12,800
TO IGNORE ANYTHING HE SAID.
896
00:23:12,866 --> 00:23:14,333
'CAUSE THE FACT IS, WE NOW
897
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,333
KNOW, OVERALL, NOT ONLY DO
898
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,476
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS NOT DETER
899
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:17,700
CRIME, THEY MAY ACTUALLY
900
00:23:17,766 --> 00:23:20,033
INCREASE VIOLENCE.
901
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:21,300
IN STAND-YOUR-GROUND STATES,
902
00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:25,100
HOMICIDES OVERALL HAVE INCREASED
903
00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:26,233
NEARLY 11% SINCE THE LAWS'
904
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,666
ENACTMENT, WHEREAS IN STATES
905
00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:30,433
WITHOUT THOSE LAWS, THE HOMICIDE
906
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,066
RATE WENT DOWN BY JUST OVER 2%.
907
00:23:32,133 --> 00:23:32,966
IN FACT, ANOTHER STUDY FOUND
908
00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:34,400
SUCH LAWS TRANSLATE INTO AN
909
00:23:34,466 --> 00:23:37,733
ADDITIONAL 600 HOMICIDES PER
910
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,433
YEAR.
911
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:39,366
AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "WELL,
912
00:23:39,433 --> 00:23:40,233
COME ON, YOU CAN'T DRAW A
913
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,380
STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN THESE
914
00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:42,700
SPECIFIC LAWS AND PEOPLE'S
915
00:23:42,766 --> 00:23:44,600
ACTIONS"... IN SOME CASES, YOU
916
00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:45,906
VERY MUCH CAN, INCLUDING ONE OF
917
00:23:45,933 --> 00:23:47,142
THE VERY FIRST STAND-YOUR-GROUND
918
00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:49,300
CASES IN TEXAS, THAT OF JOE
919
00:23:49,366 --> 00:23:52,500
HORN, WHO CALLED 911 TO REPORT A
920
00:23:52,566 --> 00:23:53,766
BURGLARY HAPPENING DURING THE
921
00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:55,333
DAY AT HIS NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR'S
922
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,533
HOUSE.
923
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,400
I'VE GOT A SHOTGUN.
924
00:23:58,466 --> 00:24:00,133
DO YOU WANT ME TO STOP HIM?
925
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,833
NOPE, DON'T DO THAT.
926
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:02,700
AIN'T NO PROPERTY WORTH SHOOTING
927
00:24:02,766 --> 00:24:04,466
SOMEBODY OVER, OKAY?
928
00:24:04,533 --> 00:24:05,900
JOE HORN SOUNDS CLEARLY
929
00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:09,933
UPSET.
930
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,600
I AM NOT GONNA LET THEM GET
931
00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:11,233
AWAY WITH IT.
932
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:12,000
I CAN'T TAKE A CHANCE ON GETTING
933
00:24:12,066 --> 00:24:12,500
KILLED OVER THIS, OKAY?
934
00:24:12,566 --> 00:24:14,466
NO.
935
00:24:14,533 --> 00:24:16,100
I'M GONNA SHOOT.
936
00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:18,466
GONNA SHOOT.
937
00:24:18,533 --> 00:24:19,100
BUT THE 911 DISPATCHER WARNS
938
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:19,900
HORN TO STAY INSIDE AT LEAST A
939
00:24:19,966 --> 00:24:20,366
DOZEN SEPARATE TIMES.
940
00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:21,000
AN OFFICER IS COMING OUT
941
00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:22,100
THERE.
942
00:24:22,166 --> 00:24:23,666
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO OUTSIDE
943
00:24:23,733 --> 00:24:31,733
OF THAT HOUSE.
944
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:33,233
THEN HORN, SOUNDING ANGRIER
945
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:33,800
BY THE MOMENT, CITES THE NEW
946
00:24:33,866 --> 00:24:34,866
TEXAS LAW.
947
00:24:34,933 --> 00:24:35,600
I HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT
948
00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:36,100
MYSELF TOO, SIR AND YOU
949
00:24:36,166 --> 00:24:36,600
UNDERSTAND THAT.
950
00:24:36,666 --> 00:24:37,366
YES, YOU DO.
951
00:24:37,433 --> 00:24:37,666
YES, YOU DO.
952
00:24:37,733 --> 00:24:38,233
AND THE LAWS HAVE BEEN
953
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:38,833
CHANGED IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE
954
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:39,942
SEPTEMBER THE 1ST AND YOU KNOW
955
00:24:39,966 --> 00:24:40,533
IT AND I KNOW IT.
956
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,333
YEAH, JOE HORN KNEW
957
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:41,966
WHAT THE LAWS SAID, AND DESPITE
958
00:24:42,033 --> 00:24:42,566
THE DISPATCHER WARNING HIM NOT
959
00:24:42,633 --> 00:24:44,733
TO GO OUTSIDE 14 TIMES, HE DID
960
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,333
JUST THAT AND KILLED TWO PEOPLE,
961
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,900
WITH AUTOPSY REPORTS LATER
962
00:24:47,966 --> 00:24:49,166
SHOWING THAT BOTH MEN APPEARED
963
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,700
TO HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE BACK.
964
00:24:51,766 --> 00:24:53,400
HE WAS EXPLICITLY TOLD THAT
965
00:24:53,466 --> 00:24:54,476
PROPERTY IS NOT WORTH SHOOTING
966
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,266
PEOPLE OVER.
967
00:24:57,333 --> 00:24:59,700
WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE.
968
00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,466
AND CERTAINLY NOT YOUR
969
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:03,800
NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
970
00:25:03,866 --> 00:25:06,533
IF I FOUND OUT MY NEIGHBOR SHOT
971
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,900
AND KILLED TWO PEOPLE TO SAVE MY
972
00:25:07,966 --> 00:25:09,300
PS5, I WOULD MOVE TOMORROW.
973
00:25:09,366 --> 00:25:10,100
I KNOW THEY'RE HARD TO GET YOUR
974
00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:11,342
HANDS ON, BUT JESUS CHRIST, CALM
975
00:25:11,366 --> 00:25:13,266
DOWN.
976
00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:15,233
I DON'T WANT YOUR BLOOD CONSOLE.
977
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:21,133
AND THANKS TO TEXAS' NEW
978
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,100
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS, JOE HORN
979
00:25:22,166 --> 00:25:22,700
WAS NEVER ARRESTED.
980
00:25:22,766 --> 00:25:23,366
AND ULTIMATELY, A GRAND JURY
981
00:25:23,433 --> 00:25:24,133
DECLINED TO EVER CHARGE HIM WITH
982
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,266
A CRIME.
983
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:27,333
AND NOT ONLY WAS HORN SPARED ANY
984
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,433
CONSEQUENCES, HE WAS LATER
985
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,066
CELEBRATED AS A HERO.
986
00:25:31,133 --> 00:25:32,033
YOU HAD 911 ON AND YOU SAID,
987
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:32,566
I'M GONNA GO STOP THEM.
988
00:25:32,633 --> 00:25:33,166
YOU GOTTA GET HERE, I'M GONNA
989
00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:33,466
STOP THEM.
990
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:34,100
THEY SAID, NO, NO, NO, DON'T GO
991
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:34,666
OUT.
992
00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:36,233
YOU... YOU STOPPED THEM.
993
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:37,300
THEY CAME TOWARDS YOU.
994
00:25:37,333 --> 00:25:38,566
YOU SHOT THEM, RIGHT?
995
00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:39,033
YES, SIR.
996
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,881
THAT'S CORRECT.
997
00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:42,833
OKAY.
998
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,433
SET ASIDE THAT JOE HORN LOOKS
999
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:45,600
LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF
1000
00:25:45,666 --> 00:25:46,233
BOBBY HILL GREW UP AND SUCKED.
1001
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:46,866
THE ONLY TIME IT'S APPROPRIATE
1002
00:25:46,933 --> 00:25:47,466
TO CHEER AFTER SOMEONE SAYS "YOU
1003
00:25:47,533 --> 00:25:48,100
SHOT THEM" IS IF YOU'RE TALKING
1004
00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:48,733
ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE
1005
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,033
FOR SHOOTING THIS VIDEO OF A
1006
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:50,900
FAMILY OF BEARS IN A SWIMMING
1007
00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:52,100
POOL.
1008
00:25:52,166 --> 00:25:53,242
"YOU SAW THE BEARS,
1009
00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:54,600
YOU HAD YOUR PHONE READY, AND
1010
00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:56,400
YOU SHOT THEM, RIGHT?"
1011
00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:56,933
"YES, SIR, THAT'S
1012
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,966
CORRECT."
1013
00:26:00,033 --> 00:26:00,566
CUE THE FUCKING APPLAUSE.
1014
00:26:00,633 --> 00:26:01,700
NO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.
1015
00:26:01,766 --> 00:26:02,433
NONE.
1016
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:03,700
AND IF THESE LAWS ON THEIR OWN
1017
00:26:03,733 --> 00:26:06,066
WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH, THERE IS NOW
1018
00:26:06,133 --> 00:26:08,000
ALSO A SMALL COTTAGE INDUSTRY
1019
00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:09,833
THAT'S CROPPED UP AROUND THEM
1020
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,100
SELLING SPECIALIZED SELF-DEFENSE
1021
00:26:12,166 --> 00:26:14,066
LEGAL ASSISTANCE.
1022
00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:15,276
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1023
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:15,933
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1024
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EVERYTHING FROM EDUCATIONAL
1025
00:26:16,566 --> 00:26:17,066
TRAINING VIDEOS TO MONEY FOR
1026
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:18,933
FUTURE LEGAL DEFENSE AND BOND.
1027
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,733
THE U.S. CONCEALED CARRY
1028
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800
ASSOCIATION INSISTS IT'S
1029
00:26:20,866 --> 00:26:22,366
PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH
1030
00:26:22,433 --> 00:26:23,366
TEACHING CONFLICT AVOIDANCE, BUT
1031
00:26:23,433 --> 00:26:25,000
IT ALSO GIVES YOU A WALLET-SIZED
1032
00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:26,209
CARD WITH TIPS ON HOW TO HANDLE
1033
00:26:26,233 --> 00:26:28,633
THE CALL YOU MAKE TO POLICE
1034
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:30,233
AFTER YOU'VE SHOT SOMEONE, A
1035
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:31,633
HANDY FEATURE THEIR FOUNDER
1036
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,500
PROUDLY TOUTS TO MEMBERS.
1037
00:26:34,566 --> 00:26:36,533
THIS IS MY VERY OWN USCCA
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00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,066
CARD.
1039
00:26:37,133 --> 00:26:37,800
YOU CAN SEE MY NAME ON IT,
1040
00:26:37,866 --> 00:26:39,009
TIM SCHMIDT, RIGHT ON THE BACK
1041
00:26:39,033 --> 00:26:40,333
OF THE CARD.
1042
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,033
IT ACTUALLY LISTS THE EXACT
1043
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:41,900
INSTRUCTIONS FOR WHAT TO SAY TO
1044
00:26:41,966 --> 00:26:43,366
A RESPONDING OFFICER.
1045
00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:45,266
EXPLAIN I WAS ATTACKED, I FEARED
1046
00:26:45,333 --> 00:26:46,066
FOR MY LIFE, AND I HAD TO DEFEND
1047
00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:47,766
MYSELF.
1048
00:26:47,833 --> 00:26:49,166
OKAY, SETTING ASIDE THE
1049
00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,400
FACT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST
1050
00:26:50,466 --> 00:26:53,333
BORING EPISODE OF "SPORTSCENTER"
1051
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,733
IMAGINABLE, IT FEELS IMPORTANT
1052
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,533
TO POINT OUT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY
1053
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,800
CREATED A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE
1054
00:26:56,866 --> 00:26:57,566
CARD.
1055
00:26:57,633 --> 00:26:58,809
AND THAT MIXED WITH THAT MAN'S
1056
00:26:58,833 --> 00:27:01,766
GET OUT OF JAIL FREE COMPLEXION
1057
00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:03,900
IS A PRETTY AWFUL COMBINATION.
1058
00:27:03,966 --> 00:27:05,900
AND AT LEAST ONE OF USCCA'S
1059
00:27:05,966 --> 00:27:07,100
CLIENTS APPARENTLY TOOK THE
1060
00:27:07,166 --> 00:27:08,066
ADVICE ON THAT CARD AND RAN WITH
1061
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,500
CARLOS GARCIA'S EX-WIFE,
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00:27:11,566 --> 00:27:13,300
YAILEEN AYALA, PAINTS HIM AS A
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00:27:13,366 --> 00:27:14,266
LOVING FATHER WHO WOULD DO
1064
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:17,033
ANYTHING FOR HIS CHILDREN.
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00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:18,400
SHE BELIEVES HE WAS INTOXICATED
1066
00:27:18,466 --> 00:27:19,476
WHEN HE SHOWED UP TO PICK UP HIS
1067
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,100
KIDS AND GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT
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00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:22,566
WITH THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR,
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00:27:22,633 --> 00:27:23,909
NICK JULIAN IV, OVER HIM PLAYING
1070
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:26,433
LOUD MUSIC IN THE CAR.
1071
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:30,033
JULIAN ARMED HIMSELF WITH A
1072
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,666
HANDGUN AND SHOT GARCIA, HE
1073
00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:33,633
CLAIMS IN SELF-DEFENSE.
1074
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:34,533
NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AS JULIAN IV
1075
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,333
WAS ON WITH 911.
1076
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,133
911, WHAT IS YOUR
1077
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,266
EMERGENCY?
1078
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:40,342
YES, MA'AM, I JUST HAD A MAN
1079
00:27:40,366 --> 00:27:43,600
ATTACK ME IN MY FRONT YARD.
1080
00:27:43,666 --> 00:27:44,533
HE ATTACKED ME AND I HAD TO USE
1081
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,933
FORCE.
1082
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,266
I WAS AFRAID FOR MY LIFE.
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00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,342
YEAH, IT SEEMS ALL YOU
1084
00:27:49,366 --> 00:27:50,476
HAVE TO DO IS MEMORIZE A FEW KEY
1085
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,733
PHRASES AND YOU TOO COULD BE
1086
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,909
FREE TO SHOOT WITH IMPUNITY.
1087
00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:55,109
IT'S BASICALLY ROSETTA STONE FOR
1088
00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:56,800
JUSTIFIED HOMICIDES, BECAUSE
1089
00:27:56,866 --> 00:27:58,076
DURING HIS 911 CALL, NICK JULIAN
1090
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,700
MADE SURE TO SAY THAT HE FEARED
1091
00:27:59,766 --> 00:28:02,133
FOR HIS LIFE THREE SEPARATE
1092
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,233
TIMES AND CAN ALSO BE HEARD
1093
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:05,342
REFERRING TO HIS WALLET AND
1094
00:28:05,366 --> 00:28:07,033
SAYING TO SOMEONE, "YOU JUST
1095
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,066
NEED TO CALL THEM, GIVE THEM THE
1096
00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:10,866
ACCOUNT NUMBER AND MY ATTORNEY."
1097
00:28:10,933 --> 00:28:12,233
AND BY THE TIME THE POLICE
1098
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,500
ARRIVED, HE WAS ALREADY ON THE
1099
00:28:14,566 --> 00:28:15,709
PHONE WITH THE U.S. CONCEALED
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00:28:15,733 --> 00:28:20,333
CARRY ASSOCIATION SETTING UP HIS
1101
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,433
LEGAL DEFENSE BEFORE HIS VICTIM
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00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,666
HAD EVEN BEEN DECLARED DEAD.
1103
00:28:23,733 --> 00:28:24,876
AND I KNOW IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE
1104
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:25,833
THESE LAWS ARE JUST A
1105
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:26,433
FREE-FOR-ALL TO SHOOT SOMEONE
1106
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:27,200
WHO SCARES YOU.
1107
00:28:27,266 --> 00:28:28,900
BUT THE TRUTH IS, THERE ARE SOME
1108
00:28:28,966 --> 00:28:30,033
LIMITS.
1109
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:31,142
AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THIS
1110
00:28:31,166 --> 00:28:32,300
IS GOING.
1111
00:28:32,366 --> 00:28:33,166
BECAUSE WHILE MOST SHOOTINGS
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00:28:33,233 --> 00:28:33,833
INVOLVE PEOPLE OF THE SAME RACE,
1113
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:34,733
WHEN CASES INVOLVE SHOOTINGS
1114
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,842
ACROSS RACIAL LINES, THERE ARE
1115
00:28:35,866 --> 00:28:37,366
SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES IN WHOSE
1116
00:28:37,433 --> 00:28:38,200
FEAR GETS BELIEVED.
1117
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:40,433
BECAUSE THE ODDS A
1118
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:44,066
WHITE-ON-BLACK HOMICIDE WAS
1119
00:28:44,133 --> 00:28:45,533
DEEMED JUSTIFIED BY THE POLICE
1120
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,966
WERE 281% GREATER THAN THE ODDS
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00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:48,800
A WHITE-ON-WHITE HOMICIDE WAS.
1122
00:28:48,866 --> 00:28:51,633
AND THE EXPANSION OF
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00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:53,233
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAVE
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00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:53,933
APPEARED TO WORSEN THAT
1125
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,040
DISPARITY, A FACT THAT I'M
1126
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,033
PRETTY SURE WOULD SURPRISE
1127
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,166
EXACTLY TWO OF THESE THREE MEN.
1128
00:28:58,233 --> 00:29:00,733
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE ARE
1129
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,300
MULTIPLE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU
1130
00:29:01,366 --> 00:29:02,166
WOULD THINK, IF EVER A
1131
00:29:02,233 --> 00:29:04,166
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW WOULD
1132
00:29:04,233 --> 00:29:05,866
APPLY, THIS WOULD BE THE CASE...
1133
00:29:05,933 --> 00:29:07,833
AND YET, IT DIDN'T.
1134
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,033
TAKE SIWATU-SALAMA RA, WHO WAVED
1135
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:11,380
AN UNLOADED, REGISTERED GUN AT A
1136
00:29:11,433 --> 00:29:13,266
WOMAN WHO SHE BELIEVED WAS
1137
00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:15,533
TRYING TO HIT HER AND HER YOUNG
1138
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,266
DAUGHTER WITH HER CAR.
1139
00:29:19,333 --> 00:29:21,300
BUT EVEN THOUGH HER STATE OF
1140
00:29:21,366 --> 00:29:22,700
MICHIGAN HAS A STAND-YOUR-GROUND
1141
00:29:22,766 --> 00:29:24,600
LAW, AND EVEN THOUGH THAT
1142
00:29:24,666 --> 00:29:25,533
INCIDENT CLEARLY FALLS UNDER A
1143
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,300
REASONABLE DEFINITION OF
1144
00:29:26,366 --> 00:29:26,866
SELF-DEFENSE WITHOUT IT, AND
1145
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:27,766
EVEN THOUGH SHE DIDN'T EVEN
1146
00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:28,400
SHOOT THE GUN BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT
1147
00:29:28,466 --> 00:29:29,800
WAS UNLOADED, SHE WAS
1148
00:29:29,866 --> 00:29:31,300
SENTENCED TO TWO YEARS ON THE
1149
00:29:31,366 --> 00:29:32,933
CHARGE OF USING A GUN TO COMMIT
1150
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,300
A FELONY.
1151
00:29:34,366 --> 00:29:35,766
AND WHILE, AFTER OUTCRY, SHE
1152
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:37,073
WAS EVENTUALLY ABLE TO PLEAD TO
1153
00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:38,000
A LESSER CHARGE, THAT WASN'T
1154
00:29:38,066 --> 00:29:39,076
BEFORE SHE'D SPENT A YEAR IN
1155
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:40,100
PRISON.
1156
00:29:40,133 --> 00:29:41,666
AND SHE WAS PREGNANT AT THE TIME
1157
00:29:41,733 --> 00:29:43,033
AND WAS FORCED TO BIRTH IN
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00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,100
SHACKLES.
1159
00:29:45,166 --> 00:29:46,666
SO DESPITE BEING INTRODUCED TO
1160
00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:48,000
INCREASE SAFETY,
1161
00:29:48,066 --> 00:29:49,833
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS ACTUALLY
1162
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,866
INCREASE VIOLENCE.
1163
00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:53,433
AND GIVEN AROUND FOUR CENTURIES
1164
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,133
OF HISTORY, BASING A LAW AROUND
1165
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,333
"WHO'S AFRAID OF WHO" WAS ALWAYS
1166
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,966
GOING TO BE DANGEROUS.
1167
00:30:00,033 --> 00:30:01,566
IT'S THE REASON OHIO STATE
1168
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:02,566
LEGISLATOR STEPHANIE HOWSE STOOD
1169
00:30:02,633 --> 00:30:04,200
UP TO OPPOSE HER STATE PASSING
1170
00:30:04,266 --> 00:30:05,666
ITS STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW BACK
1171
00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:09,733
WHEN YOUR PRESENCE, WHEN YOUR
1172
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,066
BEING, YOUR BLACKNESS CAUSES
1173
00:30:13,133 --> 00:30:14,533
FEAR... DO YOU HEAR WHAT I'M
1174
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,233
SAYING?
1175
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,166
I'VE BEEN IN THESE... THESE
1176
00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,266
FLOORS WHERE I HEAR PEOPLE TELL
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00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:21,800
ME, "YOU KNOW PEOPLE SCARED OF
1178
00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:25,766
YOU."
1179
00:30:25,833 --> 00:30:27,866
IT'S PEOPLE I HAVE NEVER
1180
00:30:27,933 --> 00:30:29,500
INTERACTED WITH.
1181
00:30:29,566 --> 00:30:31,366
WHAT DO YOU DO IN PLACES AND
1182
00:30:31,433 --> 00:30:34,466
SPACES WHEN YOUR PRESENCE...
1183
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:36,100
LITERALLY YOUR FACE, YOUR FACE
1184
00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:36,800
CAUSES SOMEONE TO BE FEARFUL OF
1185
00:30:36,866 --> 00:30:37,566
YOU?
1186
00:30:37,633 --> 00:30:38,466
THIS IS A BAD IDEA FOR PEOPLE
1187
00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:41,033
THAT LOOK LIKE ME.
1188
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,166
EXACTLY.
1189
00:30:42,233 --> 00:30:43,600
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS
1190
00:30:43,666 --> 00:30:44,666
THAT MAKES THESE LAWS SO
1191
00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:45,600
DANGEROUS.
1192
00:30:45,666 --> 00:30:47,300
THEY CAN EXALT A WHITE PERSON'S
1193
00:30:47,366 --> 00:30:49,600
FEAR OVER A BLACK PERSON'S LIFE
1194
00:30:49,666 --> 00:30:51,500
AND ARE APPLIED SO UNEVENLY THAT
1195
00:30:51,566 --> 00:30:52,676
SIWATU-SALAMA RA GAVE BIRTH IN
1196
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:53,933
SHACKLES WHILE THIS GUY GETS A
1197
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,066
FUCKING PARADE.
1198
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:58,666
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAVE
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00:30:58,733 --> 00:31:00,466
CONTRIBUTED TO A SOCIETY WHERE
1200
00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:01,933
VIGILANTES WITH GUNS FEEL THEY
1201
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,300
HAVE TO RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT IS
1202
00:31:03,366 --> 00:31:04,166
SAFETY, WHO IS A THREAT, AND
1203
00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:05,276
WHAT THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE.
1204
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,100
THEY'VE TURBO-CHARGED EVERYTHING
1205
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:08,400
FROM ROAD-RAGE INCIDENTS TO
1206
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:10,133
POINTLESS DISPUTES OVER DOG
1207
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,466
WEIGHTS.
1208
00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:16,933
SO WHAT CAN WE DO?
1209
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,533
WELL, THE ANSWER IS ACTUALLY
1210
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,133
PRETTY SIMPLE.
1211
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,033
DON'T PASS ANY MORE
1212
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:19,700
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS AND
1213
00:31:19,766 --> 00:31:21,500
REPEAL THE ONES THAT DO EXIST.
1214
00:31:21,566 --> 00:31:22,433
THEY'RE REDUNDANT SOLUTIONS TO A
1215
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:23,576
MADE-UP PROBLEM, AND THEY'RE
1216
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800
ACTIVELY DOING HARM.
1217
00:31:25,866 --> 00:31:27,026
IN THE PAST YEAR, AT LEAST 14
1218
00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:28,600
BILLS HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED IN
1219
00:31:28,666 --> 00:31:29,800
FIVE STATES TO ROLL THEIR
1220
00:31:29,866 --> 00:31:31,100
STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS BACK.
1221
00:31:31,166 --> 00:31:32,400
AND IF YOU LIVE IN A
1222
00:31:32,466 --> 00:31:33,766
STAND-YOUR-GROUND STATE,
1223
00:31:33,833 --> 00:31:35,042
ESPECIALLY ONE WHERE THOSE BILLS
1224
00:31:35,066 --> 00:31:37,566
HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED, YOU SHOULD
1225
00:31:37,633 --> 00:31:40,233
ABSOLUTELY WRITE TO YOUR
1226
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:41,540
REPRESENTATIVES TO URGE THEM TO
1227
00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:43,933
REPEAL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
1228
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,033
AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, IF YOU
1229
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:46,933
LIVE IN FLORIDA... OR, FUCK IT,
1230
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,200
ANY STATE... IN THE INTERESTS OF
1231
00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:50,466
ANNOYING MARION HAMMER, MAYBE
1232
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:54,233
ALSO DEMAND THEY MAKE YOUR STATE
1233
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,000
BIRD THE FLORIDA SCRUB JAY, SO
1234
00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:55,866
IT CAN DELIVER ITS FERGILICIOUS
1235
00:31:55,933 --> 00:31:57,300
VICTORY SONG.
1236
00:32:01,033 --> 00:32:06,266
THAT'S A B-PLUS BIRD.
1237
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,033
THAT BIRD IS FINE.
1238
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:07,933
THAT'S OUR SHOW.
1239
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,500
THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.
1240
00:32:09,566 --> 00:32:10,133
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
1241
00:32:10,233 --> 00:32:11,533
GOOD NIGHT.
1242
00:32:19,257 --> 00:32:21,257
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