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What's crazy about
the whole thing is seeing the hitman
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out on the street.
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That makes no logical fucking sense.
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You're gonna let a guy free
that supposedly was gonna go kill a lady.
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And he's free on the street.
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'Cause he was never really a hitman.
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Kinda hard to put a hitman in prison
when it's just all made-up bullshit.
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I do not think
Joe deserves 22 fucking years.
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He got a raw deal.
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But what I understand, the government's
been wanting his ass for years.
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Jeff made sure my story fit
to what they needed.
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And that was
their plan, was for him to lie for Jeff
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so they could set me up and take the zoo.
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It only cost Jeff
3,000 fucking dollars to get rid of Joe.
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Jeff called and said,
"Let's send Allen back to South Carolina."
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"Give him $3,000
and get him the hell out of your hair."
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But for their story,
it was to go to Florida and kill Carole.
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See, that's all bullshit.
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Without that money,
there's no case for the murder for hire.
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So I think that whole thing was a setup.
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Jeff said, "Allen,
no matter what the fuck you do,
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please don't put me in this."
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If I would just take the bullet,
he would make sure I was taken care of.
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What Allen has admitted to
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is that the case against Joe
is based upon perjury,
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because Jeff was telling him
what to say and what to do.
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That warrants a new trial.
That is in the interest of justice.
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Based on what?
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You know, Allen is a drunk
who got arrested at a strip club for DUI.
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He's trying to turn on us,
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but he's too stupid
to get his story straight.
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Let me ask you something.
On a scale of one to ten,
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one being you're stone-cold sober,
you're ready to go to church,
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and ten being you'd be drunk
and passed out in a ditch,
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where would you put yourself?
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One to ten?
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Yeah.
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I'm good.
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Well,
that's not part of the scale.
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And I'm gonna hire
a $3,000 crackhead to kill her?
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Where does that make sense?
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You know, if the evidence is out there,
go ahead and present it.
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Jeff Lowe's in more trouble
than he knows what to do with.
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And I'm not gonna shut up,
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and I'm not gonna stop
until people see the truth.
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I understand that you,
at one time, were affiliated
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with the Greater Wynnewood Zoo.
Is that correct?
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I was employed. Yes.
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Okay.
And who owns Greater Wynnewood Zoo?
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Jeff Lowe.
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So what's the nature of the dispute
between you and Mr. Lowe?
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Very personal.
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I've been in jail
for two and a half years.
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These people in here?
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At least they have honor
because they're real crooks.
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Jeff's a piece of shit
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that sucks off of people
that are vulnerable.
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Stealing my zoo wasn't enough.
They had to take my freedom.
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They had to concoct all this bullshit
and get me thrown in jail.
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Come on.
Come on, girl.
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No. Come.
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Jeff Lowe is opportunist
and goes after people who are in trouble.
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He promises them probably heaven on earth,
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and then he fucks them over
without lubrication
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from behind with a wire brush.
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Hi.
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Hi, guys.
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She's jealous.
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Well, Jeff Lowe came to Nevada,
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and we were actually butchering horse
that day.
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Hey, Bam-Bam! Here's your yum-yum.
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And the people who gave us the horse
kept asking us,
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"Oh, was it you
at McDonald's with baby tiger?"
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And I'm like, "What baby tiger
and what McDonald's? What's going on?"
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He goes through the drive-thru.
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The cub's not even in a transport cage.
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It seems like he never did it correctly
with exotic animals.
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That's my opinion, of course,
but I am rarely wrong.
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I am Eastern European bitch,
so I cannot be wrong.
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Was Joe Exotic
really trying to kill Baskin,
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or was he set up to make it look like
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he really wanted to kill her?
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Because Joe was talking about it,
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but it was kind of like
just for the entertainment.
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"Oh, I want that person dead.
I wish you were dead."
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Good afternoon.
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All these years
and Jeff Lowe wasn't in picture.
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Joe didn't hurt anybody.
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All of a sudden, Jeff Lowe is in picture
and there are two hitmen.
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I mean, what is going on?
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Joe's argument that we
conned him or scammed him out of the zoo...
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For what? What did I gain, you know?
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I gained a huge liability,
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personally and financially.
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There's nothing to gain in owning a zoo.
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A few years ago,
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Carole Baskin won
one million judgment against Joe Exotic,
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so if Joe Exotic puts the assets
in other people's names,
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then Carole Baskin cannot collect
on her one million judgment.
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That was the plan, but it didn't work.
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We didn't steal the zoo.
Joe dumped it on us.
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What he did was illegal transfer of assets
to hide it from Carole to begin with.
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And then it just became
more and more apparent
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that Carole was gonna pursue the property.
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The lawsuit that caused Joe
to be so angry with me
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has been pending since 2011.
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We are still pursuing that judgment
against Joe and now Jeff Lowe.
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Now, she has the one million
judgment against Jeff Lowe.
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I don't think there's a state that
Jeff Lowe's gone to that he hasn't
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gotten sued in or gotten thrown in jail.
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Bad luck has followed him
from Lansing, Michigan to South Carolina,
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to Colorado, to Wynnewood, Oklahoma.
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He's just been like
a black cloud of controversy.
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Man,
I wish I'd never met the guy.
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I've owned a drive-in movie theater
in Beaufort, South Carolina for 15 years.
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Jeff Lowe bought the building
that was next to the drive-in
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to have his liquidation store in
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and also a flea market on the outside.
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He was supposed to have a TV show
that they were working on.
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Oh, my God!
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I'm Jeff Lowe, and I'm a liquidator.
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Liquidation is the business
of buying and selling
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what America returns to the stores.
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He was
buying semis of shit,
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and he had me convinced
that he had 15 liquidation stores.
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Yee-haw!
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But the TV show,
the whole thing went nowhere.
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He's a good bullshitter.
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Don't forget about me.
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I bought a $24,000 load
of broken toasters from him.
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He would tell me how well
he did in the liquidation industry.
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So I tried it out.
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This load shows up at my house.
I open the semi doors,
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48-53 foot of just toasters.
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I pull them out, and I'm like,
"These boxes sure look damaged."
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My customers would take them home,
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plug them in,
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and the motherfuckers would catch on fire.
The toasters would catch on fire.
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Tough shit.
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Don't beg me to help you
get into the liquidation business
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and then bitch and moan
when you buy liquidated merchandise.
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I have a pretty clear picture
of who Jeff Lowe is based on my reporting.
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In the years that I've been following him,
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the charity fraud might be
one of the darker, sadder moments
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in Jeff Lowe's criminal history.
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The charity was called CODA,
Citizens Opposed to Domestic Abuse.
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It's a battered women's shelter
in South Carolina.
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Jeff Lowe posed as an employee,
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and he was able to divert
millions of dollars in donated goods
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and then sell them
through his liquidation business
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to turn a profit for himself.
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Fourteen-million dollars of donated stuff
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that he turned around and sold.
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It was an ungodly amount.
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The money did not go
to the victims of domestic abuse.
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It went into Jeff Lowe's pocket.
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The feds were
watching my bank account.
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They wanna charge me
with five counts of wire fraud.
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That may not sound like a big crime,
but it comes with a big penalty.
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It's a felony charge and it can lead
to up to 20 years in prison.
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And he doesn't
spend a day in jail. Go figure.
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The story he told me was
he was sentenced to a halfway house,
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and then he blackmailed them.
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He sold the people
that were working in the halfway house
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stolen watches, and TVs,
and stuff like that,
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and got released from the halfway house
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because he got everybody in trouble.
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Jeff's a scam artist.
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With this felony,
he never even had to pay restitution.
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He didn't have to pay that money back.
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So Jeff has a history of thinking
that he can get away with things
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and unfortunately being right.
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How do I relieve stress?
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I picture that fucking golf ball
as a midget Jeff Lowe.
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Hey, Jeff, ready to go
for a flight, motherfucker?
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It's not hard to picture
the golf ball as Jeff Lowe.
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It's about the same damn height.
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Here you go, cocksucker!
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You little fucking dick!
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You stupid cunt!
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Fuck, I need
a little bandana and a little hat,
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so I can put it
on the little son of a bitch.
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You ready, Jeff?
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I think I hit him farther than Carole.
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Fuck.
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Tim Stark and Joe Exotic,
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they would be like two peas in a pod
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when it comes to batshit crazy.
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Hi, pretty birdie.
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Good bird.
You gonna go up there and sit down?
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I joke around in my shows and tell people,
"My name's Tim Stark. I am a drug addict."
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My choice of drugs is animals.
I get high every fucking day and love it.
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And I love that high I get.
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You want a grape?
Good bird. Down the hatch.
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Take her down. You want one?
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Oh, shut up.
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Tim Stark is
one of the most cruel animal exploiters.
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If you talk
to anyone that volunteer or are on staff,
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if they don't admit that they were naive,
then they're still fooling themselves.
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I would always say, "Tiger drunk."
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The customers coming out there,
I'm like, "They're tiger drunk."
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But it was the volunteers and the staff
that were tiger drunk.
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- Hi, Mother.
- Hi.
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I didn't bring you anything to drink.
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I didn't know where you were
or where you'd be.
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Go, Joey.
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That's my mommy.
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His wife Melissa worked, like, three jobs
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in order to feed
the animals that they had.
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And finally, he found a way to take care
of those animals, and I'm gonna cry.
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He came up with Tiger Baby Playtime.
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Other people didn't like
what he was doing,
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so they tried to put a stop to it.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
let me introduce Tim Stark,
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the president and founder
of Wildlife in Need!
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What brought me
into Wildlife in Need
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was the show that Tim put on.
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That's what got me hooked.
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It gave him a platform for his voice,
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the glory that he got
over the Tiger Baby Playtime.
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I'll show the difference...
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Early on when I was volunteering,
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I was like, "How can a place that brings
so much joy and so much happiness,
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so many smiles to people's faces, be bad?"
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I've never...
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Tim did something different.
He would just thrust a number of animals
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out into the crowd,
let people do whatever they wanted.
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As you can see, a pissed-off tiger.
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It don't take them no time
to get pissed off.
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Wanna see a pissed-off tiger?
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Show 'em what pissed off looks like.
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Show 'em.
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The one thing you wanna learn
if you're the idiot standing in a room
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holding a pissed-off tiger,
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you always wanna hand it to somebody else.
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Porta-potty's out there
if you need to wipe.
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We see a pattern among all of these guys
in this animal exploitation business.
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We saw it with Joe, we see it with Tim,
and we see it with Jeff,
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where they don't wanna take responsibility
for their own actions,
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so we need to focus on shutting them down.
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All of these backyard breeders
that were so close to Joe,
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he knows about the inner workings
of their facilities.
243
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He knows where the smoking guns are.
He could participate with the government
244
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and bring down this entire ring of people
who are exploiting big cats.
245
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There's so much
to be exposed about this whole industry.
246
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I can't wait till they arrest
every one of them.
247
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I was able to work with Joe,
248
00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:59,672
and it looks like both Tim Stark
and Jeff Lowe are going to go down.
249
00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:03,217
You know, where was
Tim when I was going through a trial?
250
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Moving in my zoo.
251
00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,805
So I can't
feel too sorry for him.
252
00:14:09,765 --> 00:14:12,309
When Jeff
first got Joe put in jail,
253
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that's when I decided, "What the hell."
254
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"I'll go out there and become partners
and we'll build the zoo together."
255
00:14:19,775 --> 00:14:24,154
Well, a new zoo could be welcoming guests
in Thackerville this year.
256
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Stark says
they'll bring in the exotic animals
257
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from his refuge in Indiana
and from the zoo in Wynnewood.
258
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The founder of that zoo, Joe Exotic,
is in jail awaiting trial
259
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on a murder-for-hire charge.
260
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Once Joe was out of the picture,
261
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Tim came aboard.
262
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The more I thought about that,
263
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"Damn, it's happening again."
264
00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,011
I knew Jeff was a sneaky,
conniving little bastard.
265
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That's what I was wanting in order
to help me try to beat PETA, beat USDA.
266
00:14:52,099 --> 00:14:56,478
You have to be a sneaky, conniving fucker
in order to keep up with these assholes.
267
00:14:56,562 --> 00:14:59,732
I got a partner here,
and we're gonna crush them motherfuckers.
268
00:14:59,815 --> 00:15:02,026
I ain't gonna play no games with them.
269
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Two heads butting together like that
is not ever gonna turn out good.
270
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And it didn't.
271
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Thackerville, Oklahoma
is a good town with good country folks,
272
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and cheap taxes,
and mostly friendly, good people here.
273
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Gotta knock that hill down and
get it smooth so the fence will look nice.
274
00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:18,876
All right.
275
00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:21,712
When I first heard
about the zoo being built in Thackerville,
276
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I thought, "all right,"
'cause I like exotic animals.
277
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I've got fish, and I've got birds.
278
00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:29,762
I think I'd like to listen to the
lions roar in the evenings and mornings.
279
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:34,558
But I believe
all of them big cat people are crazy.
280
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One minute, they're hugging
and calling each other brother,
281
00:15:37,436 --> 00:15:39,605
and the next minute,
they're suing one another.
282
00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:43,442
How much is this gonna cost?
'Cause this is not cheap.
283
00:15:43,525 --> 00:15:45,569
By the time we open
at the end of the summer,
284
00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:48,697
we'll have four or five million dollars
wrapped up in this.
285
00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,950
Where are you gonna get
the four million bucks?
286
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I'll pull it out of my damn pocket.
287
00:15:53,702 --> 00:15:54,954
We got it in here.
288
00:15:55,871 --> 00:15:58,248
It was supposed to be
50/50 partnership,
289
00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:01,627
but there was absolutely nothing
50/50 about it.
290
00:16:02,711 --> 00:16:04,797
I was paying 100% of the bill.
291
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,966
I was doing 100% of the work.
292
00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:09,134
I was moving some of my animals.
293
00:16:10,719 --> 00:16:14,098
He was putting in probably
a hundred hours a week out there,
294
00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:15,891
and Jeff wasn't putting a dime in.
295
00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:17,726
Tim would start a project,
296
00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:20,688
and Jeff had no idea
what the fuck Tim was doing.
297
00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:23,482
"Well, he's spending his money not mine."
298
00:16:24,775 --> 00:16:27,486
And that's the crazy part
about all of this.
299
00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:30,447
Tim is going through now
the same thing with Jeff Lowe.
300
00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:35,661
Jeff has frauded so many people
into coming into business with him,
301
00:16:35,744 --> 00:16:37,663
the list goes on and on and on.
302
00:16:40,457 --> 00:16:44,086
Smoking cigarettes
on top of a bale of hay.
303
00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:46,005
I'm gonna set my balls on fire.
304
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:50,509
When Tim Stark left his park in Indiana
and headed this way,
305
00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:54,096
it was July-August. It was freaking hot.
306
00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:59,351
And he had a lot of animals just jammed
in the back of his gooseneck trailer.
307
00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:01,395
The air conditioning unit had broken down.
308
00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,982
He brought 112 animals down
on his first trip.
309
00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:06,442
That was heartbreaking.
310
00:17:07,067 --> 00:17:09,778
He called me and he says,
"My generator died."
311
00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:14,700
And I said, "Well, it's 100 degrees out.
You can't not run the air conditioner."
312
00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:19,663
He showed up two and a half days later
with a trailer full of dead animals.
313
00:17:19,747 --> 00:17:23,125
It's because he actually stopped
in a different state for a booty call,
314
00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:26,295
stayed overnight,
and didn't even check on the animals.
315
00:17:27,129 --> 00:17:30,674
I stopped to stay the night
at a friend of mine's over in St. Louis.
316
00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:34,178
I was too fucking tired.
I didn't have no choice but to stop.
317
00:17:34,261 --> 00:17:37,389
I done been working
for 48 hours straight. No sleep.
318
00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:41,727
Get in the fucking truck and drive
13 fucking hours to goddamn Wynnewood.
319
00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,979
He admitted later
that he didn't even check.
320
00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,523
From the time he left Charlestown
till they got to our place,
321
00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:47,900
he didn't check them for water.
322
00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:51,320
We opened that trailer up,
the smell, the heat,
323
00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:53,447
the fecal matter, it was everywhere.
324
00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:56,033
And the dead animals,
they were everywhere.
325
00:17:56,116 --> 00:18:00,829
I probably buried at least 30 plus animals
when he got there.
326
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,915
Never seen anything like it.
327
00:18:05,334 --> 00:18:07,878
I didn't have
my business partner there
328
00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:10,631
to help me like we were scheduled to do.
329
00:18:10,714 --> 00:18:14,802
He abandoned me and the animals.
And now he wants to blame it on me.
330
00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:18,263
Tim and I have
philosophical differences.
331
00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:22,101
So we kicked him off the land.
We just couldn't take it anymore.
332
00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:23,310
He's just bipolar.
333
00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:26,021
Okay. So who's Sue?
334
00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:27,189
Sue?
335
00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:29,566
- Sue.
- Who's Sue?
336
00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:32,861
- Oh, Sue is Tim's pseudonym.
- Oh!
337
00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:34,655
- Sue! That Sue.
- Yeah, and...
338
00:18:36,031 --> 00:18:37,157
Oh, goodness.
339
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:39,201
Yeah, I forgot about that.
340
00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:43,163
When you think something's bullshit,
you don't try to remember it.
341
00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:47,417
♪ Well, my daddy left home
When I was three ♪
342
00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:49,294
♪ He didn't leave very much
To my ma and me ♪
343
00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:52,464
♪ Except this old guitar
And an empty bottle of booze ♪
344
00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:54,633
My dad, he never called me "Tim."
345
00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:56,426
He called me "Sue."
346
00:18:57,094 --> 00:18:58,470
I was the "Boy Named Sue."
347
00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:01,765
Not that I was a little girl.
It was more or less like the song,
348
00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:04,184
"Boy Named Sue,"
you know, Johnny Cash's song.
349
00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:06,728
♪ Before he left
He went and named me Sue ♪
350
00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:14,570
This is a picture Tim drew
one day while his son was in surgery,
351
00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,197
and we were waiting
for him to come out of surgery.
352
00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,075
This is how he spent his time
was drawing this picture.
353
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,619
There's a carving
on the wall there that he did,
354
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:26,957
and as you see, he signed it Sue.
That's what he was proud of, the name Sue.
355
00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:31,086
Sue is the good part in me.
356
00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:35,716
My wife married Sue.
She just didn't know it.
357
00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:39,011
Tim Stark may have caused
a lot of problems in my life.
358
00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:41,638
But that's not who I am.
359
00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:48,395
Tim's biggest enemy
was his narcissistic personality.
360
00:19:48,478 --> 00:19:50,564
And I thought, "I'm done with this."
361
00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:53,650
And we were
probably better off without Tim.
362
00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:57,696
I was discouraged for a long time
because Tim wasn't getting anything done.
363
00:19:57,779 --> 00:19:59,740
I don't know what his problem was.
364
00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:04,578
It's almost like he tried to sabotage
the thing from the beginning.
365
00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:09,374
It was harder than I ever anticipated,
running the zoo in Wynnewood
366
00:20:09,458 --> 00:20:13,462
while building a huge 50-acre zoo
in Thackerville.
367
00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:15,339
And...
368
00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,800
Does Tim have us blocked in?
We're gonna go through it.
369
00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:30,394
Okay.
370
00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:35,692
Everything takes longer
than you think, but it'll get there, and...
371
00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:36,860
if I have to...
372
00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,739
if I have to
put Lauren on a corner earning,
373
00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:43,075
then we'll do whatever we have to do.
374
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,505
So this is the VIP suite.
375
00:20:56,588 --> 00:21:00,217
Shaq, and Flav, and all those guys,
when they come, they'll wanna stay in this
376
00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,135
for more exclusive parties.
377
00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:03,929
I got a great big 12-person hot tub.
378
00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:06,556
The hot tub will be behind it
379
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,520
so these people can't, you know,
see all the activities in the hot tub.
380
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:15,691
He was thinking "strip club"
on top of having a zoo.
381
00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:19,027
And they would be able
to play with baby tigers, also,
382
00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:20,988
at the strip club.
383
00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:24,449
- What did you think of that?
- I thought it was wonderful.
384
00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:29,371
Talked about he'd like to bring girls in
and party and stuff like that.
385
00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:30,956
Just dragging those around...
386
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,958
Trying to have
a zoo and a strip club.
387
00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:35,210
I think they need to be
on separate properties.
388
00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:37,254
Not on the same property.
389
00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:44,052
Jeff and Lauren are snaky.
They're very snaky.
390
00:21:47,055 --> 00:21:48,390
They almost put a spell on you.
391
00:21:48,473 --> 00:21:51,184
You almost get brainwashed
if you're not paying attention.
392
00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:55,063
We all got so used to working so much
for so little and we were so tired.
393
00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:58,734
And they get you just kind of rolling
with their way of thinking.
394
00:21:59,609 --> 00:22:00,861
It took me a while,
395
00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:05,115
but I would always notice on the radio,
repeatedly, "Code 69."
396
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,576
Go for red.
397
00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:11,121
Code 69 is...
Well, we got codes for a lot of things.
398
00:22:11,204 --> 00:22:13,832
These are FCC radios,
so people do listen in.
399
00:22:13,915 --> 00:22:17,085
Code 69, that means
it's a pretty girl in the park.
400
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,879
Um, Code 69?
401
00:22:18,962 --> 00:22:22,174
- "Hey, some bait just walked in the zoo."
- Basically. Basically.
402
00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,801
I am the one
that picks out the cute girls.
403
00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:26,762
You would never know.
404
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,056
She just walks up
and she gets who she wants.
405
00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:34,728
My opinion of ecstasy or molly
406
00:22:34,811 --> 00:22:39,066
is that it's got to be one of the safest.
407
00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:42,569
You can drive on it.
You can fly a plane on it.
408
00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:45,822
- It doesn't skew your...
- "Fly a plane"?
409
00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:46,907
...intelligence.
410
00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:52,079
Jeff and Lauren are
like two rabid dogs in a goldfish bowl.
411
00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:57,667
Jeff and Lauren
draw people in with the money, the cats.
412
00:22:57,751 --> 00:23:02,923
They manipulate the situation,
and they bring vulnerable women in.
413
00:23:03,006 --> 00:23:08,095
Because we weren't making relationships.
We were making experiences.
414
00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,389
The person was almost nameless.
415
00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:12,432
There was no, like, relationship bond.
416
00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,935
There was no, like,
"This is another girlfriend coming in."
417
00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:16,520
It was like, "That's our toy."
418
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,648
It was typically hit and run.
419
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,568
They would show up
from the back of their house.
420
00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:25,987
A beautiful woman would be walking in,
421
00:23:26,071 --> 00:23:28,657
and walk past with Jeff and Lauren Lowe,
and they'd be gone.
422
00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:30,866
Code 69.
423
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:38,166
This got so out of hand
between sleeping with the female staff
424
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,461
and using our customers as sex toys.
425
00:23:42,045 --> 00:23:44,297
It wasn't about tigers.
426
00:23:44,381 --> 00:23:46,883
It wasn't about running a zoo.
427
00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:48,718
They're just predators.
428
00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:56,768
One of my friends sent me
the link showing that they were hiring
429
00:23:56,852 --> 00:24:00,439
for the G.W. Zoo,
and she knew how much I loved animals.
430
00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:03,483
I was completely naive.
431
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:06,903
Jeff was probably able to scroll
through my Facebook pictures
432
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:10,198
to see if I was pretty enough
to go down there.
433
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:17,372
It was 2016 when I went to the zoo
and worked with Jeff, Lauren, and Joe.
434
00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:20,125
My very first day,
435
00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:23,253
Jeff said something
about killing Carole Baskin
436
00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:27,591
and how she needs to die
because she took some of his animals.
437
00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:31,553
At that point in time, I didn't know
if he was actually being serious or not.
438
00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:34,931
So then our morning meeting, I went
and approached Jeff, Lauren, and Joe.
439
00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,601
They were all talking
in a very heated conversation,
440
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:41,062
and I was just trying
to make sure everybody was okay.
441
00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:45,567
And Joe looked right at me, and he goes,
"I will pay you a couple of grand
442
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:48,570
to go down to Florida
and kill Carole Baskin."
443
00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:50,280
"I have all the guns."
444
00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:53,950
And I looked at him
and I was just like, "What?"
445
00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:57,245
I started laughing
because I was like, "Me?"
446
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,914
Of all people.
447
00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:01,082
I didn't really know Joe.
448
00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,002
And I was so uncomfortable.
449
00:25:04,085 --> 00:25:07,547
Like, all three were staring at me
like they wanted an answer.
450
00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:13,261
I don't even remember
ever talking to Ashley Webster.
451
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,347
She was there such a short time.
452
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:19,392
And she came there
to be a playmate for Jeff and Lauren.
453
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,148
Why would I even
consider asking her to go kill Carole? A...
454
00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:28,485
A girl that has a service dog.
455
00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:32,447
Am I gonna pay her
to have her dog go gnaw Carole's legs off?
456
00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:35,784
Where does any of that make sense?
457
00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,330
I left a voicemail
on Carole Baskin's phone.
458
00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:42,457
I was warning her
that they were coming for her.
459
00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:46,920
The call to Carole
is actually what started
460
00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:49,422
the murder-for-hire investigation.
461
00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:51,883
Hi, Carole. Uh...
462
00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:53,593
You really gotta call me back.
463
00:25:53,677 --> 00:25:57,180
He was actually talking about
paying someone to kill you.
464
00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,432
He's offering
like a couple of thousand dollars.
465
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,851
I feel like your life is in danger.
466
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:07,566
Within three days
of me coming back from the zoo,
467
00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:10,151
the FBI showed up at my house.
468
00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:14,155
They were very much aware that Jeff Lowe
was conspiring to kill Carole Baskin
469
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:15,490
because I told them that.
470
00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,867
He was making threats to Carole.
471
00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:20,245
I flat-out heard him say
472
00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:22,539
that he wanted Carole dead.
473
00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:26,459
Jeff Lowe was just as much
behind the murder-for-hire plot
474
00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,211
as Joe Exotic was.
475
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:29,504
A hundred percent.
476
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,424
Joe took the fall
for all of their actions.
477
00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:34,134
I feel that is very unfair.
478
00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:38,388
Ultimately,
her deposition was withheld from trial,
479
00:26:38,471 --> 00:26:41,141
and nobody really got to hear
about Ashley Webster.
480
00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:42,851
I think her testimony is important
481
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:47,772
to show this was more
than a simple business transaction
482
00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,942
between Joe and Allen
to go kill Carole Baskin.
483
00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:58,241
Did you know that Jeff
was recording you in these phone calls?
484
00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,243
No, I did not.
485
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:05,582
- They know all about Joe.
- Right.
486
00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,876
- What I recommend strongly...
- Yup.
487
00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:10,462
You don't wanna be
on Joe's side when this comes down.
488
00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:12,631
- You wanna be on the government's side.
- I gotcha.
489
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:16,134
What that means is
you've gotta tell me, like, when he...
490
00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:18,345
I don't wanna put any words in your mouth.
491
00:27:19,429 --> 00:27:21,056
I should've expected it,
492
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,266
knowing him for so long.
493
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:24,601
That's what they did...
494
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,853
just to entrap somebody.
495
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:33,234
Being played, that took a long time
to actually sit down
496
00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:36,905
and truly think exactly what happened,
how it happened,
497
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:41,284
because at the time I thought
I was just basically falling in suit
498
00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:43,411
on keeping the park open
499
00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:46,456
at pretty much any cost.
500
00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,210
Yeah, I got set up just like Joe did.
501
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,297
That's a hard fucking pill to swallow.
502
00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:56,841
You said something to me
on the phone that...
503
00:27:58,009 --> 00:28:00,136
...nearly brought me to fucking tears.
504
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,222
You said something to the effect of
505
00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:04,766
this should be you in jail
or you should be in jail with him.
506
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:05,684
Yeah.
507
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:06,768
Tell me what you meant.
508
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:09,813
I did worse than he did.
509
00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:12,023
What do you mean?
510
00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:18,029
I agreed to do something
that I know I wasn't going to do,
511
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:21,741
and I didn't think that man
wanted to do it either. It was just...
512
00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:26,830
talking shit,
and things got caught up at the moment.
513
00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:29,916
That's the way it worked out,
it was horrible.
514
00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:34,045
Are you willing
to get arrested and face perjury?
515
00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:35,296
To help Joe? Yeah.
516
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,048
I've already said that.
517
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,132
Why?
518
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,469
It's the fucking thing to do, dude.
519
00:28:43,096 --> 00:28:44,723
It's the fucking thing to do.
520
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,102
Allen was a pawn in this game,
521
00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,271
just a dumb, stupid pawn.
522
00:28:51,354 --> 00:28:56,067
Isn't it funny
that whenever these guys get in trouble
523
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:58,611
for their own actions,
524
00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:01,197
that it's always gotta
be somebody else's fault?
525
00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:04,617
And if I've done something wrong,
where's the law?
526
00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:07,287
Where are they coming to get me?
They're not.
527
00:29:08,037 --> 00:29:10,999
The dominoes keep falling now
for people who gained notoriety
528
00:29:11,082 --> 00:29:13,418
on the Netflix docu-series Tiger King.
529
00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,003
Can you guys just tell us
530
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:19,299
what your understanding is
of what has happened to your zoo?
531
00:29:19,382 --> 00:29:22,969
We have anticipated this
for almost two years.
532
00:29:23,052 --> 00:29:24,763
As soon as we came into the picture,
533
00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:28,016
Carole Baskin wrapped us
under the same umbrella as Joe
534
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:31,895
to get me included
in his judgment for a million dollars.
535
00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,522
Carole Baskin
has been awarded
536
00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:37,525
the zoo once owned
by the Tiger King, Joe Exotic.
537
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:40,236
Oh, how the mullet has turned!
538
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,281
This is how Carole ruins you.
539
00:29:43,364 --> 00:29:46,910
Okay, if she can't kill you,
and she can't put you in jail,
540
00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:48,828
she's gonna bankrupt you.
541
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,790
And you know, before I even got arrested,
542
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:54,667
Carole Baskin and PETA
were working together.
543
00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,670
Now, PETA is suing everybody.
544
00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:01,007
I've had cats
throughout the last 20 years.
545
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,219
Never had any problem whatsoever
with any of them
546
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:07,722
until there was a fucking PETA spy
on my property.
547
00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:14,270
Okay, you're in.
548
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,232
Tim looked at me one day
549
00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:20,360
and he said, "There's a mole
on this property. I know it."
550
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,404
He looked me in the face.
551
00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:30,453
"Anyone who talks, I will find them
and I will fucking slit their throat."
552
00:30:34,123 --> 00:30:36,084
Tim was just so paranoid
553
00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:39,671
that he had booby traps
and security cameras.
554
00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:43,258
And, you know, he had
an arsenal of firearms in his house.
555
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:45,802
I can't imagine
556
00:30:45,885 --> 00:30:50,890
the amount of balls that it took
to walk in there and look him in the face.
557
00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:56,187
I was trained by the United States Army
to shoot a motherfucking terrorist.
558
00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:57,438
It's that simple.
559
00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,148
So come at me, motherfuckers.
560
00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:03,069
It definitely
spooked and scared all of us.
561
00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:06,948
A lot of people that volunteered for him,
after they left, they didn't wanna speak.
562
00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:09,993
But it got to a point
where I was just getting sick and tired.
563
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:14,539
We needed to protect the animals.
So I made a call to PETA.
564
00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:19,210
People would get
scratched during the shows,
565
00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,254
so Tim cut the nails of the tigers.
566
00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:24,007
Anyone that knows anything
about animals knows
567
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:26,009
that's the worst thing
you can do to a cat.
568
00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,261
If you're declawing an animal,
569
00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,806
think of it as a human
that we're cutting off that first knuckle.
570
00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:36,227
So just think about that for a second.
I mean, I can't stress this enough.
571
00:31:36,311 --> 00:31:38,646
We're cutting off
your first knuckle to your hand.
572
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,150
And as a tiger,
they walk on the tips of their toes.
573
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:45,028
So you're cutting off
that ability for them to walk.
574
00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:50,658
Later on in life, they'll be flat-footed,
have arthritis and all kinds of problems.
575
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,619
But at the time, that doesn't matter,
576
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:55,747
'cause it's about the money.
It's not about the animals.
577
00:31:56,331 --> 00:32:00,585
Tim thinks that
because a vet will do it, that it's okay.
578
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:02,629
Never mind if it's humane.
579
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:05,882
Never mind if it cripples the animal
for the rest of their life.
580
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:07,926
Oh, my god.
581
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,386
I would say
the numbers that talked to PETA
582
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:11,721
after I talked definitely grew.
583
00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:13,932
It didn't really have
nothing to do with me,
584
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:15,850
but it was the power of numbers.
585
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,603
And it was all right
and don't let Tim bully you.
586
00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:22,106
On Monday,
a judge ordered a temporary injunction
587
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,358
against Wildlife in Need
588
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:27,362
after PETA claimed the refuge violated
the Endangered Species Act
589
00:32:27,445 --> 00:32:29,322
by declawing big cats.
590
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,950
I don't give a what PETA says.
I don't care.
591
00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:36,788
I think the beginning of his end
was probably the PETA lawsuit.
592
00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:40,833
He buried himself
so deep in trouble with his mouth.
593
00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:43,544
Today is Wednesday, April 10, 2019.
594
00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,965
The time is 9:31 a.m.
We are on the record.
595
00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:49,842
I'd like to ask the court reporter
to please swear in the witness.
596
00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:51,803
I'm not gonna sit here and be badgered.
597
00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:54,889
I'm not gonna sit here
and be a part of a fishing expedition.
598
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,642
Mr. Stark, you are
obligated to answer the questions
599
00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,352
that are asked in this deposition...
600
00:32:59,435 --> 00:33:01,312
No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
601
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:04,524
All of you guys, stop!
Stop, stop, stop!
602
00:33:04,607 --> 00:33:06,442
What are WIN's big cats fed?
603
00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:07,735
Food.
604
00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:08,819
What kind of food?
605
00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:09,696
Meat.
606
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:10,780
What kind of meat?
607
00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:11,739
Depends.
608
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:14,826
Wake up to fucking reality
before you waste my time!
609
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:19,998
As a TV station, we've been covering
Tim Stark and Wildlife in Need
610
00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:22,125
for fifteen-ish years.
611
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,629
I've probably done
three dozen reports on him.
612
00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:28,840
And it wasn't always bad.
613
00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:33,553
But recently things really started rolling
in a way that Tim Stark didn't like.
614
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,524
Our office received
numerous complaints about Tim Stark.
615
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:52,697
We were able to recognize very quickly
that there was some compliance issues
616
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,407
that would allow us to investigate.
617
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:58,953
Indiana's new Attorney General spends
his days handling consumer complaints,
618
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:03,875
but as I recently discovered,
can also summon a king-size music talent.
619
00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:06,544
When I was a kid,
I just enjoyed his music
620
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:10,757
and actually had the ability
to sing and sound like Elvis.
621
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:16,179
♪ Wise men say ♪
622
00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:18,139
♪ Only fools ♪
623
00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:20,975
♪ Only fools rush in ♪
624
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,270
What the evidence from Wildlife in Need
625
00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:28,232
actually demonstrated was
this was not a rescue operation at all.
626
00:34:28,316 --> 00:34:32,028
This was an opportunity
for an individual to use a corporate front
627
00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:35,782
to purchase animals, exotic animals,
endangered animals
628
00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,533
and exhibit them for profit.
629
00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,369
And based upon information
he has said himself,
630
00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:42,288
for enormous profit.
631
00:34:42,997 --> 00:34:44,040
That's fraud.
632
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,251
Mr. Miyagi, where you at?
Happy boy.
633
00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:50,880
The Indiana Attorney General's
Office told us they have filed dozens
634
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,550
of exhibits,
multiple motions with Tim Stark,
635
00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:58,262
demanding that he not bring animals
back from Oklahoma,
636
00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:01,474
that he not bring people to his property.
637
00:35:01,557 --> 00:35:04,644
He's doing it all anyways.
He's completely ignoring it.
638
00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:09,774
Anytime you possess something,
it's yours.
639
00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:11,317
Period.
640
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,612
Which means that it is,
from that day forward,
641
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:16,405
your personal property
642
00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:20,660
to pretty much do with whatever
you see fit to fit your needs.
643
00:35:22,036 --> 00:35:25,331
If I wanted to go and shoot a tiger,
and skin him out, and butcher him,
644
00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:28,876
and have tiger steaks for dinner,
it's my fucking prerogative.
645
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,253
It's my animal, my property.
646
00:35:30,336 --> 00:35:35,633
Nobody has the right to tell me what
I can or cannot do with my property.
647
00:35:35,716 --> 00:35:38,970
And God himself says
I can do with them what I choose.
648
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:44,475
For years, he's said
that no one will take his animals alive,
649
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,269
that he'll throw grenades at people,
650
00:35:46,352 --> 00:35:52,024
and he successfully intimidated
USDA inspectors by brandishing a gun.
651
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:04,036
I'm not trying to be a dick,
but I need everybody outside the gate.
652
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:08,040
Here at Wildlife in Need, the judge
gave the Attorney General's office
653
00:36:08,124 --> 00:36:10,835
two eight-hour days
to complete this inspection.
654
00:36:10,918 --> 00:36:15,214
That means about four minutes to inspect
each of Stark's hundreds of animals.
655
00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:18,885
I'm getting fucked in this shit,
and I'm not gonna tolerate it!
656
00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:22,597
It's already been proven
that the Attorney General's office
657
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,473
is in conspiracy with PETA.
658
00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:26,893
- That's not true.
- The hell if it ain't!
659
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,562
Let's go, Jess. Move it! Get them moving!
660
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,858
This is how I raise birds and animals.
661
00:36:33,941 --> 00:36:35,985
Ain't that right? Good boy. Oh!
662
00:36:36,068 --> 00:36:38,696
And then you raise that one
to fly into your skull.
663
00:36:38,779 --> 00:36:41,741
Shut the fuck up and don't even tell me
what you're wanting to tell me!
664
00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:45,203
'Cause as you see, half the people's here,
half the people's out there!
665
00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:46,871
I'm not gonna tolerate this shit
666
00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:49,165
if you motherfuckers think
you're gonna separate,
667
00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:51,918
and go different directions,
and try to fuck my shit!
668
00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:53,544
I'm not gonna tolerate it!
669
00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:57,465
Wildlife in Need founder Tim Stark
is expected back in court tomorrow.
670
00:36:57,548 --> 00:37:00,468
The judge is bringing him in
after he didn't follow court orders
671
00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,553
and was held in contempt of court.
672
00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:08,351
I've got a court case tomorrow.
673
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,312
And what it's based on,
it's called a compliance hearing.
674
00:37:11,395 --> 00:37:12,772
The judge called it.
675
00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:16,275
Where is Sue in this?
Is Sue there in you?
676
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:19,028
Sue is the part that everybody loves.
677
00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:21,113
I love Sue. I hate Tim Stark.
678
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:25,368
You know, because Tim Stark
has turned into a very rude,
679
00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:27,703
very defensive, you know,
680
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:30,081
asshole in all reality.
681
00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,793
You know, but in order to fight
the shit that I'm fighting,
682
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:37,088
Sue would do it
in more or less attorney fashion.
683
00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,591
Tuck your tail, play the game.
Hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
684
00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:44,595
Tim Stark's not that fashion.
Tim Stark's like, "Fuck this. Fuck you."
685
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,765
"Come get me, motherfuckers,
and let's see what you're made of."
686
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,191
I'm always nervous
when it comes down to this shit.
687
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,903
Because you know you're up against
the most corrupt shit on the planet.
688
00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:02,405
It's hard not to be nervous.
689
00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:07,034
They don't give a fuck about that.
They don't give a shit about truth.
690
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,328
All they care about is the game.
691
00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:13,082
I don't play the game.
I am the fucking game.
692
00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:24,260
Those are the corrupt,
fucking piece of shit whistleblowers.
693
00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:36,147
Come down here.
694
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,733
You can't go threatening
anyone in the courtroom.
695
00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:42,028
- I haven't threatened a single person.
- The attorney says you're trying.
696
00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:44,715
- That's 'cause he's a pussy.
- Okay. That's the thing...
697
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,739
That's not proper conduct
in the court.
698
00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:48,302
Hell, court ain't started yet.
699
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:50,567
In the courtroom,
that's not proper conduct.
700
00:38:50,619 --> 00:38:51,829
Court hasn't started yet.
701
00:38:51,912 --> 00:38:54,415
I can videotape right now.
I can do anything I wanna do.
702
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,917
I haven't threatened anybody.
I specifically told him.
703
00:38:57,001 --> 00:39:01,464
Just like Phil Rizzo, I told him, legally,
I will destroy his damn whole entire life.
704
00:39:01,547 --> 00:39:04,175
Legally. I didn't threaten him physically.
I didn't do...
705
00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:06,844
Can you
at least try to conduct yourself...
706
00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:07,970
I do conduct myself.
707
00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:11,432
- That's not proper conduct in courtroom.
- I got court to do.
708
00:39:12,475 --> 00:39:14,685
Tim Stark had
a lot to say in court today,
709
00:39:14,769 --> 00:39:16,729
most of it unsolicited commentary
710
00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,148
that the judge
actually had to ask him to stop.
711
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:20,900
Witnesses say after his outburst,
712
00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:24,153
seven more sheriff's deputies
were brought in as extra security.
713
00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:27,365
- Question for you...
- I'm offering y'all everything you asked.
714
00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:31,035
- Walk away. Leave me the fuck alone!
- You're offering us nothing.
715
00:39:31,118 --> 00:39:33,871
I know I'm offering...
What the fuck are you offering me?
716
00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:37,458
- We can take care of the animals...
- The shit show continues! Fuck you!
717
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:39,835
The shit show will continue,
you sorry prick.
718
00:39:39,919 --> 00:39:41,420
Hold on one second.
719
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:42,922
Tim, anything you wanna say?
720
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:45,925
Make sure everybody gets in there,
you bunch of fucktard motherfuckers.
721
00:39:46,008 --> 00:39:49,095
Watch what happens when I get you
on the stand. Let's see what happens.
722
00:39:49,178 --> 00:39:50,388
Are you ready for that?
723
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:53,391
I'm gonna show that you're the lying,
little fucking cunts that you are.
724
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:54,475
You wanna go against me?
725
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:55,768
Sir, don't do that.
726
00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:58,229
I can talk however the fuck I want.
Leave me alone, man.
727
00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:01,148
I ain't in the goddamn courtroom.
I can talk however the hell I want.
728
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,526
It's the fucking English language,
motherfucker.
729
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:05,569
Anything else, Tim?
730
00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:11,117
The judge says he does plan
to make some decisions in this case soon,
731
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,035
but he wouldn't give a deadline.
732
00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:16,622
His day is coming.
733
00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:21,752
They will get him for the crimes
that he committed against animals.
734
00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:27,967
Because people like me are gonna speak.
735
00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:30,177
We're gonna talk.
736
00:40:32,304 --> 00:40:33,806
We're not afraid anymore.
737
00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:38,144
You can sit there
and say you wanna slit my fucking throat.
738
00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,771
I got a 9mm, let's go.
739
00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:42,898
I'll stop you.