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So you've never done
construction work before?
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No. Like I said, it's just stuff around
the house, helping my ma, you know.
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Don't sweat it. There's nothing to it.
And you got the right build for it.
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Oh. Well, thanks.
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Just come inside,
answer a couple of questions,
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and don't even think of it
like a job interview, okay?
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What, um... What's that smell?
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Oh, you know, probably a dead raccoon
or something down in the crawl space.
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- Here you go.
- What's this?
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What the heck do you think...?
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It's an RC Cola.
The heck's wrong with you?
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Sorry.
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- Thanks.
- Yeah.
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So you looking for full-time? Part-time?
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Oh, I mean, I'll take as many hours
as you can give me, you know?
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Just depends on what you wanna do.
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PDM stands for painting,
design, and maintenance,
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so, you know,
all kinds of work to be done.
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You go to that bar a lot?
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'Cause I never seen you in there before.
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Here.
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Let me show you something.
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You Catholic?
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The only knot I remember from Boy Scouts.
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Tourniquet knot.
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It gets real tight, don't it?
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Your hand'll turn purple
I leave it like that.
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Hey, look at me.
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I wanna show you a trick.
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Ah!
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Oh yeah? Yeah?
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Mm!
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Mmm...
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Come on, man.
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Quit struggling.
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You do not want to piss me off.
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Trust me.
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No!
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Please, God! Please, no! Please, God!
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God can't help you.
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I'm God.
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Prison authorities in Illinois
are preparing to execute
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one of America's
most notorious serial killers.
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A federal judge on Wednesday
ruled that the execution
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of John Wayne Gacy can go forward.
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He is scheduled to die
by lethal injection on May 10th,
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giving the confessed murderer
just two months more to live
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after a legal battle
that has gone on for more than 14 years.
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Here now with more is Frank Currier.
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It was 1978.
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The world first saw the horrifying images
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of body bags being pulled out
of John Wayne Gacy's house near Chicago.
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And of Gacy,
later convicted in the torture murders
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of 33 young men
and boys and condemned to die...
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Thank God.
They're finally gonna fry that guy.
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You do something like that,
you don't deserve to live.
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Man's gonna burn in hell
and not fast enough.
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He's the worst of the worst.
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He is not the worst.
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Who's worse than him?
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My neighbor.
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Oh.
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You ever smell a dead body, Linda?
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- No.
- I have.
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Jeff was cooking 'em up next door.
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Smell came right through the vent
into my house.
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Can't get it out of my nose.
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That smell.
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The fuck?
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Sorry. My friend's sitting there.
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Whoa.
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Fucking loony tune motherfucker!
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Calm down.
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Take care of that smirky ass.
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You're a fucking freak, dude!
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Fifty bucks
for your autograph? No way.
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Come on, man.
It's got to be worth at least, what?
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A hundred bucks.
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That's gonna be a collector's item.
I'm giving you a discount.
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Hey. I'll throw in some porno pics
these girls have been sending me.
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I got no use for 'em.
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Porno pics?
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Pussies hanging out, everything.
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Okay, JD.
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Yo, this is bullshit!
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Sorry, fellas.
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Don't get mad just 'cause
I'm getting a little sun today.
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Why does he get private time
in the yard?
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Bitch!
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Mm.
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Yo, I'm tired of your disrespect, Dahmer.
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Disrespect?
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Playing with your food,
your fucking sick-ass jokes,
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selling your autographs like you
some kind of celebrity or something?
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You think prison is a game?
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Think we're here
for your fucking amusement?
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Hey, man, I didn't mean any disrespect.
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I'm just trying to pass my time.
Same as you.
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You ain't the same as me.
I've atoned for my sins.
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Whatever you did to get in this joint,
it's clear that you got zero remorse.
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I'm a Christian,
and I find your behavior offensive.
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Okay.
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Stop being an asshole
and quit your fucking games.
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Scarver! Let's take a walk.
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Jeez.
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And why exactly
are you doing research on Mr. Dahmer?
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I'm not doing research on him.
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I just want to see
what he did to get in here.
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And see what the big deal about him is.
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Time spent in solitary
has put me out of the loop, is all.
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Well, Mr. Scarver,
according to the system,
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because of your psychiatric condition,
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your access to certain
viewing materials is restricted.
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Look, like I told the doctors,
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certain food causes me
to have these psychotic breaks.
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You know, bread, refined sugar,
and all that artificial crap.
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Ever since I changed my diet
and found Christ...
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I've been okay.
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Come on, Ms. G. Pretty please?
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Oh...
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Uh...
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...drank a lot, and when he drank a lot,
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yeah, he was abusive.
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Maybe that's where
it began to go wrong for John Gacy.
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He doesn't know, nor does he seem to care.
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He loses himself in his paintings.
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This is Christ as I see him in myself.
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And it's monolithic
because Christ, to me, is monolithic.
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He's all things to all people.
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You're not worried about facing God?
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No. I'm fairly comfortable with him.
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At the Catholic services,
I've been the server for the priest
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for the last ten years.
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And I have no qualms about doing that.
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I've had confession, had Communion.
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So, I'm at peace with myself.
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John Gacy now faces
death by lethal injection.
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Tomorrow night we'll hear how
he's the victim for being found guilty.
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Hey.
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Uh...
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Can I talk to you a sec?
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Absolutely.
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So, why do you think
there's so many of us now?
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You mean inmates?
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No, I mean, uh, guys like me.
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People they call, uh,
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serial killers.
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Well, I'm not sure
anybody knows the answer to that.
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Some say
it's the interstate highway system.
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A relatively new invention
in the history of this country.
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You can kill somebody and disappear fast,
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dump the body a thousand miles away.
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Or maybe it was World War II or Vietnam.
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Dads coming back
from the war, they're traumatized.
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Don't talk about it.
They're absent, abusive.
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They raise troubled sons.
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There's also the explosion
and wide availability of pornography,
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which wasn't the case until the 1970s.
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You believe there's such a thing as just...
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being evil?
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I think you could
probably guess that I do.
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You know, I went
to church as a little kid.
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And then one Halloween,
I went as the devil.
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And, uh, something felt good about that.
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Then I got a little older...
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and I made an altar to him.
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The devil.
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And I was planning
on making a life-size one.
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That's what I was saving
a lot of the body parts for.
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Even in movies, like Star Wars...
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you know, I always like
the bad guys more, you know?
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Well, so did I.
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Those characters are written better.
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Yeah.
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What do you really want to ask me, Jeff?
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Well...
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I was watching that, uh,
that John Wayne Gacy on the news.
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You know, people say we're the same
'cause we both did terrible things.
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But...
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I really think we're different.
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I admitted to everything.
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All of it.
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And Gacy still says he didn't do it.
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I wanted the death penalty.
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And he was saying
that he's not afraid to die,
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'cause he's made his peace with God.
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And he's gonna go to heaven.
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So, I guess my question is,
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do you think God's forgiven him
for all that?
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Are you asking about him
or about yourself, Jeff?
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I don't think I deserve forgiveness
for what I done.
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Well, it's not about "deserve," Jeff.
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That's the thing about grace.
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We don't deserve it, but we get it anyway.
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You know, Jesus wasn't alone
when he was dying on the cross.
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There were two criminals
that were being crucified with him.
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And one of them said to Jesus,
kind of making fun of him,
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he says, "Hey, if you're the Son of God,
why don't you save yourself?"
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"And save us while you're at it."
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But the other one,
he shouts this guy down,
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says, "Hold on."
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"You and me, we're criminals.
We're getting what we deserve."
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"But this guy, Jesus,
he didn't do nothing wrong."
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Then he says to Jesus,
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"Remember me
when you come into your kingdom."
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And so, Jesus turns to him,
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and you know what he says?
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He says, "Today, you will be
with me in paradise."
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Jesus didn't ask him
what he'd done to get crucified,
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didn't ask him if he was sorry.
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All this guy had to do to be saved
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was to believe
that Jesus was the Son of God.
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And let us not forget,
Heavenly Father,
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that you are a loving,
merciful, and just God.
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And we ask that we may practice
mercy and forgiveness in our own lives
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as you have shown mercy
and forgiveness to us.
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In the name of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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And Sandra?
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She's good.
About to have her second baby.
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Praise the Lord.
Boy or girl?
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We don't know yet.
We fixing to find out next week.
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- Well, give her my best when you see her.
- I will.
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So, why'd you want to see me?
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Well, Pastor...
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what you said in your closing prayer
today about forgiveness,
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showing mercy,
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I mean, I know
it's the Christian thing to do.
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And we all have fallen short,
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and at some point or another,
we all deserve grace.
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But when it comes to Jeff Dahmer,
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I can't forgive him.
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Even though there may be
something wrong with his brain,
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or he couldn't control hisself...
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I can't.
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My heart is full of hate.
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Mmm.
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Revenge.
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I thought him being in jail
for the rest of his life would be enough.
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It's not.
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I want to see him suffer.
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I even have nightmares about it.
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And I see myself hurting him.
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Giving him pain,
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making him beg for mercy.
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I'm scared, Pastor.
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I'm so scared.
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I just wish
I could get past these feelings.
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You know? That... that...
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that... that I could
stop living in vengeance.
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That I could get to a better place.
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Maybe, I don't know, maybe not forgiveness
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but something close to it?
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'Cause if I keep letting hate
and anger consume me...
256
00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,794
I'm not gonna know myself no more.
257
00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:56,552
You have a big heart, Glenda.
258
00:18:57,719 --> 00:19:01,098
Which can be both a blessing and a curse.
259
00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:04,810
And you have every right
to feel those feelings
260
00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:06,520
and think those thoughts.
261
00:19:06,603 --> 00:19:09,148
But how do I make them stop?
262
00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:10,231
You can't.
263
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,776
You can't.
264
00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:17,739
All you can do is pray for strength
and ask for God's guidance every day.
265
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,327
And perhaps come to church
a little more often.
266
00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:25,873
Yeah.
267
00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:27,082
Yeah.
268
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,419
It's not gonna happen overnight.
269
00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:33,547
It just takes time.
270
00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:40,137
And then one day,
maybe a month from now, maybe a year,
271
00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:44,349
you will see
Jeffrey Dahmer's face somewhere,
272
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:46,768
and you won't feel a thing.
273
00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:06,997
- Hi, Dad.
- Hey, Jeff.
274
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:07,915
How you doing?
275
00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:09,583
- Good to see you.
- You too.
276
00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,251
- You look good.
- Thanks.
277
00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:12,461
You look healthier.
278
00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:13,837
- I do?
- Yeah.
279
00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:15,338
Hmm.
280
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:19,885
Maybe it's the pills they got me on.
They gave me that Prozac.
281
00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,054
- Oh, yeah?
- Yeah.
282
00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:23,680
What, you think it helps?
283
00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:26,433
Yeah, I think it helps even me out.
284
00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:31,730
And there's no booze in here.
I think that was a lot of my problem.
285
00:20:31,813 --> 00:20:33,649
Yeah, I think so too.
286
00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:37,778
You miss it, the drinking?
287
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,739
Oh, every hour of every day.
288
00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:41,823
Yeah.
289
00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:44,493
So it's probably good
I can't get any, you know?
290
00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:51,124
I was thinking about you and Shari.
291
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:54,753
You guys should, uh, maybe go
on a vacation with all that book money.
292
00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:57,005
Oh, yeah, the book, yeah.
293
00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,550
Yeah. The book didn't do so well, Jeff.
294
00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,345
Uh, the reviews were good, but...
295
00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,097
And I understand why.
296
00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,473
I think a lot of people...
297
00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:11,979
thought that I was trying to profit
from the victims and whatnot.
298
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:15,107
You know? It's not true.
But what are you gonna do?
299
00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:19,111
It was probably cursed
from the beginning, so...
300
00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:20,194
Hm.
301
00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:23,615
Yeah.
302
00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,244
Uh...
303
00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,289
There's something I gotta tell you.
304
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:33,083
Something I'm planning on doing.
305
00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,505
I want to get baptized.
306
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:41,258
Jeff...
307
00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:43,427
That's wonderful, son.
308
00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,681
I thought you'd be happy.
309
00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,268
Only problem is
they don't got a baptismal tank in here,
310
00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:55,063
and, uh, I still got to
find somebody to baptize me.
311
00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,316
It's just... That's so great.
312
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,610
- Yeah.
- That's so great.
313
00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:02,946
And, you know, uh...
314
00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:10,329
baptism's all about
washing away all your sins.
315
00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:12,164
Uh...
316
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:17,627
God forgiving you is one thing.
I know he can do that, but, uh...
317
00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:22,299
I guess what I wanted
to ask you, Dad, is if, uh...
318
00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:29,139
if you could ever forgive me.
319
00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:38,689
I will.
320
00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,361
I'll forgive you, son.
321
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,281
I do.
322
00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,324
I have.
323
00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:52,329
Because you're my son.
324
00:22:57,626 --> 00:22:58,626
Yeah.
325
00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:01,755
That's good.
326
00:23:05,175 --> 00:23:06,218
Thanks, Dad.
327
00:23:26,363 --> 00:23:27,364
Hey there.
328
00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,659
Glenda, thank you for coming.
329
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:32,035
Thank you for inviting me.
330
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,371
You Lao folks
sure know how to throw a wedding.
331
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:35,956
Please, sit.
332
00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:40,502
Whiskey?
333
00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:41,586
Oh, no. I'm good.
334
00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:42,671
It's tradition.
335
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:45,674
Okay.
336
00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:57,686
Ooh.
337
00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:00,313
That is strong.
338
00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:03,150
Better not have too many of these
339
00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,902
or you might not even remember
your son's wedding.
340
00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:11,032
I'm really happy for you, Sounthone.
341
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,619
You and your family deserve this.
342
00:24:14,703 --> 00:24:17,664
Especially after everything
that's happened.
343
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:20,584
Today's a good day.
344
00:24:27,048 --> 00:24:29,050
I try to be happy for my family.
345
00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:33,930
I smile. I try to be strong.
346
00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:40,812
I keep waiting
to feel like myself again before.
347
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,857
It just gets worse.
348
00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:46,943
Because every morning I get up,
349
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:51,698
and I remember
Jeffrey Dahmer is still alive.
350
00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:54,743
But not Konerak.
351
00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:57,579
Not my son.
352
00:24:58,705 --> 00:24:59,748
I get it.
353
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,336
Maybe the best we can do
354
00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:07,297
is just keep pretending to be strong.
355
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,677
And eventually, one day,
maybe we'll forget we're pretending.
356
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:25,941
Come on, Sounthone.
357
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,777
Let's get out on this dance floor
and show 'em how it's done.
358
00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:37,744
Okay.
359
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,290
"Dahmer vs. Jesus"?
360
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,417
Is this for real?
361
00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:47,337
It's the newest issue
in his Jeffrey Dahmer series.
362
00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:48,421
Hmm.
363
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:51,132
Just when you thought folks
couldn't stoop any lower.
364
00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:52,342
It's sick.
365
00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:55,053
It's like they're
making him into a superhero.
366
00:25:55,136 --> 00:25:56,596
Freedom of speech, my ass.
367
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,681
I know, girl.
368
00:25:57,764 --> 00:26:00,600
Though, to be honest, I'm not sure
who should be offended more,
369
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:02,018
us or Jesus.
370
00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:03,395
So what do we do?
371
00:26:03,478 --> 00:26:05,355
I say we file another lawsuit.
372
00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:08,692
But we lost the last one.
Aren't we just gonna lose again?
373
00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:10,068
There's a chance we might.
374
00:26:10,151 --> 00:26:11,778
Then is it really worth it?
375
00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:15,490
Are you saying that we should
just forgive and forget what Dahmer did
376
00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,159
and allow these folks
to continue to profit off of him?
377
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:21,955
Why expend all that effort
to file another lawsuit
378
00:26:22,038 --> 00:26:24,332
if at the end of the day
we lose again in court?
379
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,334
Because it makes a statement.
380
00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:31,631
It reminds people
that Jeff Dahmer isn't a superhero.
381
00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:33,508
He's a serial killer.
382
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:40,098
It also reminds them that our sons
weren't just Jeff Dahmer's victims.
383
00:26:40,181 --> 00:26:43,018
They were real people. They lived.
384
00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:45,395
They sang in the choir,
385
00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:49,524
loved to dance, teased their sisters.
386
00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:53,278
They were young men who had hopes
and dreams for the future.
387
00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,155
And mothers...
388
00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:59,159
who loved them.
389
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,121
So even if we lose in court,
390
00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:05,749
if we can manage to get that point across,
391
00:27:05,832 --> 00:27:07,876
we win without winning.
392
00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:15,216
I know I'm not going to read this.
393
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:19,095
But I hope Jesus
whoops Jeffrey Dahmer's ass.
394
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:32,692
Don't look right at it.
395
00:27:33,568 --> 00:27:34,819
Put these on.
396
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:35,903
Thanks.
397
00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:39,366
Really makes it hard
to doubt there's a God, doesn't it?
398
00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:41,326
Total eclipse of the sun.
399
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:45,330
The hour John Wayne Gacy's executed.
400
00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,458
The same day Jeffrey Dahmer's baptized.
401
00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:50,919
We use this for
rehabbing injuries and whatnot.
402
00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:52,504
- Will this work?
- I... Um...
403
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:55,757
Yeah, I believe it would.
404
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,925
Anything else you need?
405
00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,844
I'm sorry. You're giving me
everything I'm asking for.
406
00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:01,596
I thought this was
gonna be a lot harder.
407
00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:03,682
Religion pacifies.
408
00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:07,912
You know, Warden, I spoke to him,
and I'm gonna tell you
409
00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:09,854
what I told your chaplains here.
410
00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:13,942
Dahmer wants to be saved. It is genuine.
411
00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:18,238
John Wayne Gacy,
do you have any last words?
412
00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:20,699
Uh...
413
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,326
How about
414
00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:26,287
you all kiss my ass.
415
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:29,833
How's that for last words?
416
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:32,870
Where you going, JD?
417
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,879
I'm getting baptized.
418
00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:37,507
Yeah! Good for you, Jeff.
419
00:29:00,488 --> 00:29:01,948
Someone made that for you?
420
00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:04,033
Yeah, nice, right?
421
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,744
Some lady in Oklahoma.
422
00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:25,722
Motherfucker, man.
423
00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,607
Jeff, I baptize you
424
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:37,400
in the name of the Father,
425
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,361
the Son,
426
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:43,156
and the Holy Spirit
427
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,867
for the forgiveness of sin.
428
00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:48,578
I don't know what to do.
429
00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:51,623
God Almighty, Heavenly Father,
you got to talk to me!
430
00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:54,042
You've got to tell me what to do!
431
00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:24,656
Official time of death, 12:58.
432
00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:28,451
That son of a bitch.
433
00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:33,456
- Welcome to the family of God.
- Yeah.
434
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,252
- Yeah.
- Congratulations, Jeff.
435
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,046
You're saved.
436
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:44,634
Thanks.
437
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:47,136
Thank you.
438
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,805
Talk to me, Lord, please.
439
00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:52,100
Just tell me what I gotta do.
440
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:54,686
I'll do it.
441
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:27,969
Work duty.
442
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,112
So, JD,
443
00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,448
what you gonna do
with your 25 cents an hour?
444
00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:51,618
Blow it on porn or cigarettes?
445
00:31:52,493 --> 00:31:53,411
Don't know.
446
00:31:53,494 --> 00:31:55,455
Probably just give it to the church.
447
00:31:56,956 --> 00:31:58,458
Well, that's fucking lame.
448
00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:06,424
Oh.
449
00:32:06,507 --> 00:32:07,508
You got me.
450
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,344
I'm just fucking with you, man.
451
00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:22,190
Work duty.
452
00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:56,849
Hey. You guys are getting
some help this morning.
453
00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:02,104
Sure.
454
00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:04,607
Fine by me.
455
00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:30,216
I'm gonna clean the locker rooms.
Wanna lend me a hand?
456
00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:31,717
Okay.
457
00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,191
Jesse?
458
00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:40,953
What'd you do to him?
459
00:34:42,038 --> 00:34:43,456
Don't cry for him.
460
00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:47,168
Dude murdered his wife.
461
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:51,339
Stabbed her in the face five fucking times
and tried to pin it on two Black guys.
462
00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:54,509
Ain't that some shit?
463
00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:01,599
But ain't nothing compared
to what you did though, Dahmer.
464
00:35:08,022 --> 00:35:10,108
So, you didn't just murder them.
465
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:13,194
You desecrated their bodies.
466
00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,738
And cannibalized their flesh.
467
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,115
Answer me, Dahmer!
468
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:19,867
Did you really eat their flesh?
469
00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,746
- Yes.
- God...
470
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:27,750
And that 14-year-old boy?
471
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,463
- Yes.
- Oh, what the fuck?
472
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:35,174
What made you do it?
473
00:35:36,425 --> 00:35:37,593
Did you enjoy it?
474
00:35:38,427 --> 00:35:39,428
I was lost.
475
00:35:40,888 --> 00:35:42,390
I turned away from God.
476
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:44,725
So you believe in God?
477
00:35:45,768 --> 00:35:47,436
Yes, I do.
478
00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:50,148
I've returned to God.
479
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,442
I feel...
480
00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:56,779
changed.
481
00:36:01,868 --> 00:36:03,411
I believe in God too.
482
00:36:06,914 --> 00:36:08,749
But my God is a god of vengeance.
483
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,169
And He punishes evil.
484
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:14,046
Been in it for a long time.
485
00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:17,633
And when He can't do it himself,
he sends in vessels
486
00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:19,302
to execute His justice.
487
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:24,182
The Lord spoke to me, Dahmer.
488
00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:29,645
He asked me to punish you
489
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,148
for all them innocent lives you took
490
00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:34,233
and them families you destroyed.
491
00:36:35,276 --> 00:36:39,697
You may convince yourself
that God has forgiven you.
492
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,076
But you can never escape God's wrath.
493
00:36:46,662 --> 00:36:48,164
It always catches up with you.
494
00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:51,209
Always.
495
00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,088
See, Dahmer,
496
00:36:59,258 --> 00:37:00,551
I'm His vessel.
497
00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:05,598
Understand?
498
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:21,029
Okay.
499
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,505
You liked seeing them men
in pain, didn't you?
500
00:37:48,182 --> 00:37:49,892
And that 14-year-old boy,
501
00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:52,728
when you did them horrible things to him.
502
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:53,812
No.
503
00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:57,566
I drugged 'em first
so they wouldn't feel anything.
504
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,447
Well, Dahmer,
505
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:06,701
you 'bout to feel every second of this.
506
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,674
In the name of the Father,
507
00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:06,510
the Son,
508
00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:09,513
and the Holy Ghost.
509
00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,062
Amen.
510
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:39,209
Hello?
511
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,003
Speaking.
512
00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:44,799
Oh, no. Uh...
513
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:46,967
Okay, we'll be right there.
514
00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:52,890
- Mr. Dahmer...
- Is he okay? Can we see him?
515
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:54,391
Just, um...
516
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:57,478
I'm afraid it's bad news.
517
00:39:57,561 --> 00:39:58,561
No.
518
00:40:41,897 --> 00:40:45,943
Oh, my God...
519
00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:49,238
God, Jeff, I'm sorry.
520
00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:56,244
Oh...
521
00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:08,007
I love you.
522
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:13,304
I've loved you
since the day you were born.
523
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:18,100
And I'll love you till the day that I die.
524
00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:53,552
What?
525
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:55,971
I didn't say a thing, did I?
526
00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,732
Mr. Dahmer, Ms. Flint?
527
00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:10,778
Please.
528
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:14,657
I don't understand.
529
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,408
Jeff's body's been cremated.
530
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:19,078
They sent the remains
to Shari and me two weeks ago.
531
00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:20,454
Half his remains.
532
00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:23,541
The other half went to me, okay?
His mother.
533
00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,418
After your son was killed,
534
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,088
there was, of course, an autopsy.
535
00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:32,132
And when they do that,
you know, the body is kind of...
536
00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:33,050
Dissected?
537
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,927
Lionel knows all about that.
538
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,555
He's who kind of sparked
Jeff's interest in the subject.
539
00:42:37,638 --> 00:42:39,598
You're a piece of work, aren't you, Joyce?
540
00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:41,517
Guys? Look, could we...?
541
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:46,230
The brain was removed
to determine the cause of death.
542
00:42:46,313 --> 00:42:49,483
Now, Ms. Flint feels
that we have an opportunity here
543
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,527
for something good
to come out of all this.
544
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:55,906
Scientists at Fresno State University
would like to study Jeff's brain.
545
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:59,410
What... Hold on. I don't understand.
546
00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:01,579
Where...
Where's his brain been all this time?
547
00:43:01,662 --> 00:43:03,038
I mean, where is it now?
548
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:04,664
Madison.
549
00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:09,587
In the pathology lab,
at the University of Wisconsin.
550
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:13,757
No way, no. No way.
551
00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:16,552
Lionel, please. Just listen for once.
552
00:43:16,635 --> 00:43:17,845
He wrote a will.
553
00:43:18,554 --> 00:43:21,974
He said he wanted to be cremated
as soon as possible, his whole body.
554
00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:24,101
You know,
his brain's part of his body, okay?
555
00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,646
He said no open casket,
no funeral, no headstone, no marker.
556
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:30,107
If you care so much about Jeff's wishes,
557
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:32,276
why'd you have
a memorial service for him then?
558
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:34,320
It was just a few family friends.
559
00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:35,779
But not his mother.
560
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:40,284
Okay, the brain should be cremated.
It should have been when the body was.
561
00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:44,204
We have a chance here, Lionel,
to find out why he was the way he was.
562
00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:46,915
Was it something he was born with?
563
00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:50,669
Maybe there was
some small tumor somewhere?
564
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,840
I think each of us has our own idea about
why Jeff was the way he was, don't we?
565
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:56,300
Oh, stop it. Shame on you.
566
00:43:56,383 --> 00:43:58,844
You know,
they just did this very same thing
567
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:01,722
with that, uh, John Wayne Gacy.
568
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:05,517
They took out his brain,
and they made slides and whatnot.
569
00:44:05,601 --> 00:44:08,145
You know what conclusion
they reached? Perfectly normal.
570
00:44:08,228 --> 00:44:10,356
Well, that's what
they're gonna say about Jeff's too.
571
00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:11,523
How do you know?
572
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,612
Answer is no, Joyce.
573
00:44:17,446 --> 00:44:18,446
Never gonna happen.
574
00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,950
No, I think we need to try
to put this behind us.
575
00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:23,994
Quit dragging it out and just...
576
00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:26,205
you know, move on.
577
00:44:28,707 --> 00:44:33,879
Mr. Dahmer, this is something that
Mrs. Flint will choose to pursue in court.
578
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,131
Yeah, I bet she will.
579
00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:42,304
If you be good, I'mma let you watch
cartoons when we get home, okay?
580
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,432
All right, let's see.
581
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:49,144
They got Oreos, Chips Ahoy, and Kee–
582
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,021
Cookies! Cookies!
583
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:52,648
Okay. Which one you want?
584
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:54,858
All of them!
585
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:58,404
I'mma get you two.
You know why? You're spoiled.
586
00:44:58,487 --> 00:45:02,282
And you know why you're spoiled?
'Cause you're Granny's little rascal.
587
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,993
Come on, help me put this stuff up there.
588
00:45:05,077 --> 00:45:06,912
You gonna be a big boy and help me?
589
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:14,545
Next.
590
00:45:16,338 --> 00:45:20,134
The court recognizes
a rather unusual situation here.
591
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:23,804
It's one I certainly never encountered
before and probably won't again.
592
00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:28,642
We have competing interest
from the two parents of the deceased.
593
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:32,980
I recognize the statement
of wishes of Jeffrey Dahmer.
594
00:45:34,481 --> 00:45:37,359
And I'm also concerned
with the issue of closure.
595
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:42,531
This is a rather evil chapter
in our human existence, so to speak.
596
00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:45,576
I believe it would be
beneficial to the public
597
00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:49,079
and all concerned that there be closure.
598
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:54,668
And that this matter is resolved
once and for all, and we move on.
599
00:45:56,462 --> 00:45:57,463
Therefore...
600
00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:02,301
I hereby order the brain to be destroyed.
601
00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:14,688
I also have to say, I object
to the very nature of this inquiry.
602
00:46:16,106 --> 00:46:19,151
When one considers
an individual like the deceased,
603
00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:22,780
there is a temptation to try to know,
604
00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:24,782
and know definitively,
605
00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:27,159
why someone like Jeffrey Dahmer
606
00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:28,535
is what he is.
607
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:30,579
Or was.
608
00:46:32,414 --> 00:46:34,833
I think there's a real danger there.
609
00:46:36,543 --> 00:46:39,463
There are no easy answers
when it comes to someone like him.
610
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,386
You'll never know why he did what he did.
611
00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:55,854
That's an uncomfortable truth, to be sure,
but it's one you need to accept.
612
00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:12,329
Thank you for seeing me today, Ms. Yang.
613
00:47:12,412 --> 00:47:14,957
Of course, and I appreciate
your patience, Ms. Cleveland.
614
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,959
- We had to reschedule a few times.
- Seven.
615
00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:18,085
I'm sorry?
616
00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:19,336
Seven times.
617
00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:22,923
That's how many times
your office rescheduled this meeting.
618
00:47:23,006 --> 00:47:24,132
But it's okay.
619
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,845
Like all those times
I called the cops on Dahmer,
620
00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,222
I'm used to having to be persistent.
621
00:47:30,973 --> 00:47:33,475
So, Ms. Cleveland,
how can I help you today?
622
00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:38,730
Well, I wanted to see
how the progress was on the park.
623
00:47:39,523 --> 00:47:40,524
The park?
624
00:47:40,607 --> 00:47:42,860
Mm-hmm. The park memorial.
625
00:47:43,443 --> 00:47:49,074
I was told that the city was planning
to turn the old Oxford Apartments on 25th
626
00:47:49,157 --> 00:47:51,493
into a park after it was demolished.
627
00:47:51,577 --> 00:47:55,747
So I wrote your office a letter
saying y'all ought to make the park
628
00:47:55,831 --> 00:47:57,666
a memorial to Dahmer's victims.
629
00:47:57,749 --> 00:48:00,210
And you wrote me back a real nice letter.
630
00:48:00,294 --> 00:48:03,338
Signed your name and everything,
saying that you would look into it.
631
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:04,965
Yes, right. Um...
632
00:48:05,048 --> 00:48:09,636
So anyway, I'm here on behalf of some
of the victims' families to get an update.
633
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:13,599
And I walked past there the other day,
and it's still a vacant lot.
634
00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:15,017
I mean, I...
635
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,435
It's been nearly two years.
636
00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:18,186
So I'm checking our system,
637
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,899
and it seems we're still waiting
on some permit approvals.
638
00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:23,609
How long do those take?
639
00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:27,529
Well, it's hard to say until Public Works
finishes its safety inspection,
640
00:48:27,613 --> 00:48:31,283
which they can't start until City Planning
Department starts their inspection.
641
00:48:31,366 --> 00:48:36,496
Ms. Yang,
all we are asking for is a damn park.
642
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,081
That shouldn't be that hard.
643
00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:40,167
We're not asking you to build a Taj Mahal.
644
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:44,546
Ms. Cleveland, building anything
in the city involves a lot of red tape.
645
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:46,965
I realize it's frustrating.
646
00:48:48,884 --> 00:48:50,135
But can I be honest?
647
00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:53,722
There are a lot of people here
648
00:48:53,805 --> 00:48:55,807
who don't want
to build anything on that lot.
649
00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,685
They'd just as soon forget what happened.
650
00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,938
Not everybody can forget.
651
00:49:01,647 --> 00:49:05,734
Y'all demolished the building,
but that doesn't erase what happened.
652
00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:07,945
It only erases the victims.
653
00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:12,574
And all we are asking
is that y'all put something on that site
654
00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,326
that honors their memory.
655
00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,078
It's the right thing to do.
656
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:17,913
It's the decent thing to do.
657
00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:23,335
So will you please
discuss this with your supervisor
658
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:25,087
or whomever can do something?
659
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:26,088
Absolutely.
660
00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,800
And I will do everything in my power
to help expedite that process.
661
00:49:30,634 --> 00:49:32,928
But from my experience,
these things take time,
662
00:49:33,011 --> 00:49:36,556
and I'm afraid that you and the families
probably have to wait a little longer.
663
00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:42,020
Well, that's all right, Ms. Yang.
664
00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:44,731
'Cause I'm used to waitin'.
665
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:48,652
I am determined to see this through.
666
00:49:49,194 --> 00:49:50,237
For the victims.
667
00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:52,447
For the families.
668
00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:55,993
I ain't gonna let Jeff Dahmer and his evil
669
00:49:56,076 --> 00:49:57,995
be the only thing folks remember.
670
00:49:59,246 --> 00:50:02,249
As long as I have breath,
I'll keep waiting.